Muh Guns, Too

[Tymon]

I think this board isn't blowing up because the majority here understand that he was acting in self-defense. It is the lead-up to those events that is the problem and should be looked at. At what point is it no longer self-defense when you are the reason it got to that point? If I went to Detroit, fully armed, yelling the N-word over and over, i will be attacked. I know i will be attacked, and i still do it. But the second someone attacks me, i can call that self-defense and murder them?

I know it is hard to argue that he KNEW he would be attacked going there, but i think most would agree that he wanted it to happen. Maybe not in the moment, once it started, but he went there wanting to be a bad-ass and got what he was seeking. Now the kid is going to be the rights new love child. He is being rewarded for killing people and making bad choices. The dude is going to be in Congress in the next few years.

Yeah agreed pretty much.

He went there to LARP as a boogaloo in full fuck around and find out mode. Multiple people fucked around and found out. This is not relative to the charges he received, thus he gets acquitted. He also clearly planned out the method in which he obtained the firearm he used. Also planned which one to use.

I think this would have been an easy conviction to get if the DA acknowledged this wasn't a malicious plot to murder people and charged him appropriately. But they painted it that way, ran the trial that way, and this is the result.

Anybody who is painting him as a hero is literally encouraging extremism and writing their playbook. Similarly, those who are claiming this was a terrorist attack on 3 "heroes" who bravely attempted to stop it are either in complete denial of the facts or ignorant of them, spreading total misinformation.

An unabashed shitfest from top to bottom, left to right.

[Tymon]

I think you have a relatively easy time prosecuting him on second-degree manslaughter on Huber and assault/use of deadly force on Grosskreutz.

[Day]

It's essentially a grown up version of "I'm not touching you". The letter may not be broken, but the spirit absolutely was. And it works only as long as the adults in the room are dumb enough to do nothing about it.

Explains why Day is on the little shits side so much, same playbook.

Im not on his side lol, the video evidence was.

[Zealot]

Rosenbaum, the first victim, was almost certainly trying to get someone to shoot him, and in that sense Rittenhouse is also a victim.

But you know what would have changed it? If he hadn't been there with a gun.

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[Day]

Rosenbaum, the first victim, was almost certainly trying to get someone to shoot him, and in that sense Rittenhouse is also a victim.

But you know what would have changed it? If he hadn't been there with a gun.

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I mean same weird logic can be applied if others werent there burning shit down etc

Things would have been different if they were different

[Zealot]

I mean same weird logic can be applied if others werent there burning shit down etc

Things would have been different if they were different

Sure, things would have been different if Rusten Sheskey hadn't shot Jacob Blake seven times in the back and faced no consequences.

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[Day]

Imagine if Jacob Blake was never born

[Tymon]

I mean I think it's completely appropriate to counter arguments that he's some kind of martyr for responsible gun ownership and a hero. That is a prevailing right wing talking point right now and it's complete bullshit.

The most direct cause of this happening is Kyle's choices. Second most direct is the bizarre laws in Wisconsin that let you open carry an AR-15 but a pistol in the same exact circumstance is a felony.

Kyle could have avoided this entire situation by not trying to be a moronic fake militia boogaloo LARPer for cool points.

[Tymon]

Much like OJ, I think he will face very difficult civil lawsuits over this and it will, unlike this criminal one, be an uphill battle for him to win. This may be over for him as far as jail time is concerned but it is far from over in general.

[Krandor]

And people could have chosen not to riot and come after the dude carrying a rifle.

The stupidity stretches far and wide

[Day]

I definitely agree the kid shouldn't have been out there, none of those fools should have been out there imo

[NynJa]

And people could have chosen not to riot and come after the dude carrying a rifle.

The stupidity stretches far and wide

Those rioters werent breaking any laws, they were allowed to do what they were doing

I mean, thats one hell of a slippery slope to say “that would have never happened if he wasnt there”.

[Cyn]

Claiming self defense is one thing, claiming self defense for using an illegally obtained and carried rifle to kill 2 people as a minor is something different. The entire reason laws about minors possessing firearms exist is because they can't be relied on to make logical decisions in normal situations, much less stressful ones.

[Tymon]

Claiming self defense is one thing, claiming self defense for using an illegally obtained and carried rifle to kill 2 people as a minor is something different. The entire reason laws about minors possessing firearms exist is because they can't be relied on to make logical decisions in normal situations, much less stressful ones.

The rifle wasn't illegally obtained nor was it illegally carried. Loopholes were meticulously abused sure, but it wasn't technically illegal.

[kuronosan]

Claiming self defense is one thing, claiming self defense for using an illegally obtained and carried rifle to kill 2 people as a minor is something different. The entire reason laws about minors possessing firearms exist is because they can't be relied on to make logical decisions in normal situations, much less stressful ones.

This case was the Swiss Cheese Model in full effect.

[Krandor]

using an illegally obtained and carried rifle to kill 2 people

That people still think this is the case is really shows how out of control the way people get news is these days.

Neither of these being true is a fact, and has been known for awhile, but even after the trial apparently people still haven't gotten this memo, either because they're consciously choosing not to or because the news sources they do get are so heavily filtered they'd never see it.

[Cyn]

The gun was straw purchased to get around Rittenhouse being a minor, was it not?

[Andalusian girls]

yes, and his friend Dominick Black is facing federal charges for it. it was absolutely an illegally obtained firearm the charge for that offense just doesn't go to Kyle, goes to the guy who made the purchase. kinda funny people in here crying that others don't know the facts and have been bamboozled by the media when they are demonstrating ignorance to real basic facts of what happened.

[Krandor]

Yeah but due to the weird and wacky American legal system it's not illegal for Rittenhouse to have been carrying it, which people still seem to be harping on.

[archibaldcrane]

Here's a good explainer why Rittenhouse was allowed to open carry a long rifle as a minor in Wisconsin.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews...harge-81285031