Actual YouTube/Twitch drama thread II

[Karbuncle]

Coming from a country where the left always falls in line even harder than the right when it comes time to vote, it's wild how fucked up you are in the States. Is it really that fucking hard to vote for someone who might not be perfect but will keep the world from burning. Surely you fuckers can't be that stupid.

I said this a page ago(Depending on your loadout), it falls on deaf ears.

As someone else said, vote your heart in the primaries, I know I will, but when the Election comes, I'm voting for the part who hasn't aided a pedophile in dismantling our relationships with allies and destabilized trade and sent a Gestapo to kill us. And no, I don't quite hold a few spineless Democrats voting with Republicans as meaning "Both sides are the same".

[Salodin]

Again if you need hugs and smooches i'm open to it <3

But which podcast bro we talking about now? Stavvy? Hasan? Pod Johns? Newsom himself? Doughboys (fast food politics, I ain't voting for Carl Jr no matter what they score them!)? I listen to a bunch man, I need to know which one specific here.

People voicing an opinion that Dems need to get tougher, pretty growing opinion and you're acting like they shit in your cheerios. Sorry to say but it wasn't the "I don't like Kamala so ill abstain from this vote" crowd that cost her the election no matter how badly you want it to be.



I mean Mamdani got a ton of support (Though not from Jefferies or Schumer and others), people didn't agree 100% with him and still don't. AoC is the same, Bernie the same. The internet leftists are basically just saying "Hey maybe don't suck off a bunch of Epstein enthusiast billionaires and target the working stiffs" as a policy change and people are screaming about it. We're 2 fucking years out, I don't give a shit about the new presidential election because we haven't even had the midterms but Dems need to wise the fuck up about where we are. People like Newsom, Jefferies, Schumer, Pelosi and others aren't it anymore.

Newsom is literally the loudest politician fighting back exactly the way you claim you want. He actually spearheaded an effort to change congressional maps mid cycle to fight back against Republicans trying to cheat in the election. He walked the walked and you're acting like he's all talk. The only other politician actively fighting loudly and publicly against his administration is AOC but I don't think she's ready for that kind of run.

Anyone the Democrats put forward will be more of the same to you because you're looking for a perfect person who doesn't exist. Or well he does and his name is Hasan. Cuz we all know you'd vote for that dude in a heartbeat.

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[Richybear]

But what if the perfect person is a guy who tases his props?
Checkmate, Salo

[Meresgi]

Newsom is literally the loudest politician fighting back exactly the way you claim you want.

Dude has a podcast where he's platformed Shapiro and Charlie Kirk, makes funny tweets calling out Trump, and is actively fighting a billionaire tax, fuck out of here with that shit lol. Sorry we're not all tongue lashing his taint cuz he's a handsome mother fucker. Again though, he might not even get the nod but DNC sure as shit is gonna prop him up for it and knock down anyone even remotely fighting back.

[Mrbeansman]

Complaining about courting billionaires while the other side is talking about putting unmarried women in camps is certainly an example of good priorities.

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[synistar]

We just had "What if imperfect candidate from California and also a woman?"

Even if Newsom is "What if PERFECT candidate from California and also white male?" odds are it's gonna be the same 2024 map. Dems Lose NV AZ MI PA GA NC

Dems continue to chase unicorn candidates and it's so fucking depressing. I'll still vote blue no matter what, but my opinion doesn't matter. The only voices that matter are those that live in the listed states.

[Salodin]

Dude has a podcast where he's platformed Shapiro and Charlie Kirk, makes funny tweets calling out Trump, and is actively fighting a billionaire tax, fuck out of here with that shit lol. Sorry we're not all tongue lashing his taint cuz he's a handsome mother fucker. Again though, he might not even get the nod but DNC sure as shit is gonna prop him up for it and knock down anyone even remotely fighting back.

One side kills American citizens and protects pedophiles

One side will be trying to fight back come elections

Can't really tell them apart tho

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[Mrbeansman]

I don't know why we expect the dude with the cushy IT job who won't ever have to experience the consequences of this administration to care about the vulnerable people his attitude hurts.

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[arus2001]

May as well since you guys are basically parroting centrist twitter at this point.

There are probably 40 or so leftist policy points I could bring up and use as a determination for my fondness for a candidate. What I am personally looking for is not someone who is 40/40, even if it would be nice, but not someone who is closer to 0/40. When we complain about the DNC pushing shit candidates, it is because they are closer to the lower end of that spectrum. We know the GOP is ass. The assumption they're an automatic 0/40 is a given. This is a cycle that has basically been repeated since Reagan and the backbone of my old claim we've been steadily creeping rightward despite a few niche policy wins.

We're told constantly that leftist candidates have no chance. Let's be mindful we're in a conservative-owned media sphere that runs on Red Scare McCarthyism by default while the Dems have shown no qualms knifing leftist candidates as evidenced in Mamdani's recent run or Bernie's past attempts at the presidency. And yet, leftists policies poll popularly when disassociated from political faces and we have an increasing number of aging youth not becoming conservative as they age because the system has been fucking them for the past 20+ years. This is further weighed against the flaw of primary performances where we're obviously not running all states and thus aren't getting the full picture of the electorate perspective. We're also sitting on a few recent elections with HUGE swings in defiance of conservative strongholds.

The problem isn't a leftist candidate can't get elected here. Now is probably the best time in contrast to all the conservative bafoonery. The problem is... the Democratic Party has not cultivated a stable of leftists for us to look toward over these past 20-some years. We know Bernie is out and despite his best efforts would never have been considered officially in. AOC may be the current default face, but we still have that issue of a portion of the population not being for a woman, let alone one that isn't white, regardless of policy. A viable candidate isn't just going to spring up out of nowhere even if we could rationalize qualifications don't matter after repeated Trump terms. Plus, y'know, having the finances to pull it off. And even if the impossible was achieved and someone rose up from obscurity and got the win, you will still have the non-cooperative GOP and the old guard Dems that will do their utmost to make sure the needle never moves leftward. Frankly, our government self-immolating in response to Epstein shit is not only needed, but deserved, because it would filter a number of the institutional roadblocks that have hindered progressive gains.

Now, we're 2+ years out. Having Newsom shoved down our throats by the DNC reflects a complete lack of learning nothing with Hillary and to a lesser extent Biden and his pride. Getting the leftist vote can't be integral to winning elections while simultaneously being a demographic you can safely ignore. I know this isn't a new point me from, either. Less stick, more carrot. I know not every voter is going to have a big list of issues to consider, either. It's fine to have your own immediate concerns, but not everyone is so locked down and do possess something akin to empathy. Being a "good candidate" by their standards does not make them a good candidate for everyone else. And when you lose to the biggest fucking clown in political history twice, it gets a lot harder to call them both good and qualified no matter how much 35% of the voting population being deplorable humans may be true. You still have the remaining 70+ million who didn't vote to tap into and those got conned into thinking Trump was their guy because Dems have ignored the average person for too long. Run on something better than, "Well, at least we're not the other guy!" Newsom giving Trump a taste of his own medicine in smack talk might be amusing, but him rolling on Shapiro's show and sucking conservative cock isn't so much. The answer to the problems of the moment aren't another lesser evil. That kind of accountability scares the DNC because they want that vote by default and to not actually earn it. The pending midterms being a projected blue wave means nothing if they just return to their status quo "reaching across the aisle" appeasement of the right.

[Mrbeansman]

The time to have debates between the left and center is not now it's when the right has been thoroughly destroyed and is no longer a threat.

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[arus2001]

And the left is trying to tell you centrists have been on their side for a long time now.

[Meresgi]

One side kills American citizens and protects pedophiles

One side will be trying to fight back come elections

Can't really tell them apart tho

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The whole crux of the argument back to the video was basically "if it comes down between newsom and vance we're fucking cooked" in the hypothetical. If we're running Newsom as he is now...we're either not winning or we're winning by the smallest of margins and then probably losing 2-4yrs later (if gain control of house/senate we'll lose it in midterms). Like Arus said, i'm not looking for a 100% pure bibilical progressive figure like you seem to thing, but you can't seem to understand that lol. It's not that Newsom is pretty progressive on a lot of fronts but there's a few issues here and there and that spoils him for me...it's that he's a fucking centrist and just seeing him platform Shapiro and others speaks volumes. We gonna do a Biden putting in Merrick Garland to flounder around and not pursue shit again too if Newsom is elected. I'm sure we'll have a "variety" of people in the cabinet to respect the Dems AND republicans.

The time to have debates between the left and center is not now it's when the right has been thoroughly destroyed and is no longer a threat

But it is, we're 2yrs out...this is the perfect time to debate this and come to the table with a strong ass candidate that inspires and shows they are there for the working class. Trump didn't win because he only courted racists. Both in 2016 and 2024 he lied his ass off to people that he would help fix the economy because they were struggling and said that he saw that. Centrists like Ezra and others pointed to the stock market and said "See? everything is actually good" and Kamala had the fucking Cheneys out campaigning for her lol. Incrementalism hasn't fucking helped us out in the past decade plus. We're past that shit, but if you wanna spend 4yrs clawing back 20% of what we lost to then lose to the GoP and watch them blow up another 80% of our rights and then do it all over again then cool.

What Newsom's podcast with Kirk and Shapiro, he was rolling over and conceding trans rights, billionaire taxing and other shit during just a podcast. You think he's gonna strong man that shit when in office? Can watch Jennifer Welch talking even more about it and defending the take of "If Newsom is the pick we're cooked"

[Salodin]

One bro has 40 things his candidate needs to be pure on

Other bro literally hand waves away actual, effective use of the power weaponized against Republicans because he's already an inside Democrat

Never realizing the only way anyone gets the time of day to even run for president is because they've already ran a high profile job like that before, or have the money to buy their way in, both of which preclude you from ever voting for them anyways. A real ouroboros of stupidity

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[Salodin]

https://x.com/i/status/2021786685126979747

Ngl, you're not engaging in good person behavior

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[Krandor]

I don't know why you're bothering, Hasan's fanbase is not allowed to form their own opinions

[Salodin]

https://x.com/i/status/2022056631480332389

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[Zealot]

Yeah but all that stuff won't really happen and if it does it'll teach Democrats a lesson so they'll get on board next time and if they still don't then people deserve to suffer until they learn, and no I don't think that continually losing to the right will eventually result in the complete destruction of the left.

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[Zealot]

Goddamn I would love being a leftist so much if it weren't for all the other leftists.

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[Roranora]

our left isn't even left and the other leftists left the left and now the left is even less left

[Byrthnoth]

AI is the leftist we need right now: https://futurism.com/future-society/...laude-disaster