{COVID-19} Vaccination Injection Interjections VIII - Who cares at this point

[Salodin]

Would archi feel better if we said vaxed ppl are spreading it more slowly than unvaxed? Cause we all agreed with that.

But it's a small consolation when it's likely that the vaxed are still spreading it on average to more than one person, ergo cases will continue to climb until morale or antibodies improve.

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[NynJa]

San Francisco is also a densely populated urban center with a mess of travelers and commerce, little more contagion friendly than farmland and methland Yolo. i know BG is congenitally against ever admitting being wrong but you guys seem hellbent on ignoring Archibald's direct evidence and citing indirect, influenced by third-variable evidence.



we may never be able to know for certain whether or not 62% is better than 0%

You mean Archi's evidence that shows COVID-19 cases among the 12-34 age group of fully vaccinated going from a 7 day case rate per 100k population of ~100 in Aug/Sep/Oct to ~500 in Jan among fully vaccinated population?

Evidence that is flawed as asymptomatic people are less likely to get tested and will never know if they had the virus or not. Updated guidelines for asymptomatic is 5 days of isolaton after popping hot and an additional 5 days of wearing a mask in public. So the concept of "asymptomatic dont spread the virus" is wrong, otherwise the CDC would not make such recommendations.

[Roranora]

ya know i've long worried my self-loathing is a problem but i didn't read the last 4 pages this time, BG! not today fuckers

this is a good win

(i did see the culprit this time was salad tho c'mon bruh)

[kuronosan]

Would archi feel better if we said vaxed ppl are spreading it more slowly than unvaxed? Cause we all agreed with that.

But it's a small consolation when it's likely that the vaxed are still spreading it on average to more than one person, ergo cases will continue to climb until morale or antibodies improve.

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Or until stupid fuckers wear a mask or get the vaccine.

Not getting the vaccine is how you get it and give it to others, allowing it time and vectors to mutate.

A fuck load more people would be dead without it, so arguing that 62% is no good as some are is fucking moot when it would have been higher without dumb ass disinformation campaigns.

I look at our hospital census every day and literally the numbers are holding the fuck up, <10% of patients coming in were vaccinated with at least up to the booster, meaning the vast majority are still unvaccinated. The worst part? It could still mutate into a more virulent strain at this rate. Who knows?

Probably should ask your dentist about that shit too. Maybe then y'all will stop the stupid fucking jokes and calls of fear mongering and actually do the sensible thing.

Don't fucking care anymore.

[NynJa]

Probably should ask your dentist about that shit too. Maybe then y'all will stop the stupid fucking jokes and calls of fear mongering and actually do the sensible thing.

I dont think these clowns are using rational thought. They just see "THEYRE NOT STANNING THE VACCINE THEYRE ANTIVAX"

[Salodin]

ya know i've long worried my self-loathing is a problem but i didn't read the last 4 pages this time, BG! not today fuckers

this is a good win

(i did see the culprit this time was salad tho c'mon bruh)

No no it's rhyis and Nynja

Ok it's me

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[Andalusian girls]

Would archi feel better if we said vaxed ppl are spreading it more slowly than unvaxed? Cause we all agreed with that.

i believe that is the entire delta of the disagreement yes. some people are saying vaccinations do nothing to stop the spread, no one is saying vacced people are not spreading.

[Salodin]

i believe that is the entire delta of the disagreement yes. some people are saying vaccinations do nothing to stop the spread, no one is saying vacced people are not spreading.

You mean to tell me people are just talking past each other because they want to win on BG? Say it ain't so

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[Salodin]

Or until stupid fuckers wear a mask or get the vaccine.

Not getting the vaccine is how you get it and give it to others, allowing it time and vectors to mutate.

A fuck load more people would be dead without it, so arguing that 62% is no good as some are is fucking moot when it would have been higher without dumb ass disinformation campaigns.

I look at our hospital census every day and literally the numbers are holding the fuck up, <10% of patients coming in were vaccinated with at least up to the booster, meaning the vast majority are still unvaccinated. The worst part? It could still mutate into a more virulent strain at this rate. Who knows?

Probably should ask your dentist about that shit too. Maybe then y'all will stop the stupid fucking jokes and calls of fear mongering and actually do the sensible thing.

Don't fucking care anymore.

Take a breath and stop seeing red.

Nynja and rhyis can correct me if I'm wrong, but both would agree that being vaxed is better than not. You insinuate that they believe otherwise, but I think you're just reading what you want to read.

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[Tyrath]

we may never be able to know for certain whether or not 62% is better than 0%

[Tyrath]

Nynja and rhyis can correct me if I'm wrong, but both would agree that being vaxed is better than not. You insinuate that they believe otherwise, but I think you're just reading what you want to read.

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I mean..

Omicron doesn't give a shit about the vaccine. That's just reality

This is the part people were refuting. It's less effective, but that doesn't mean it doesn't do anything.

[NynJa]

The working theory is that the protection wanes, we've seen these numbers referenced over and over again. However these boosters have mostly have only been given ~6 weeks ago. The protection offered should not have waned to show these kind of breakthrough numbers. This isnt a rare 1-in-100,000 breakthrough infection.

Remember when a 7 day rolling average of 250k new cases a day was embarrassing for the USA? The current rolling average, with the population 65% double vaxed, is over double that at 640k

[Salodin]

I mean..



This is the part people were refuting. It's less effective, but that doesn't mean it doesn't do anything.

The same person you quoted also said it's been great for keeping people out of the hospital. Seems like that's...something?

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[Rhyis.]

we may never be able to know for certain whether or not 62% is better than 0%

for easy math lets just say omicron has a 66.6% effectiveness rate vs omicron and 90% effectiveness vs any other strain

if you walk pasted 1 person that has omicron you have a 33% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 2 people that have omicron you have a 44% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 3 people that have omicron you have a 58% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 4 people that have omicron you have a 78% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 5 people that have omicron you have a 103% chance of catching omicron

on the flip side:

if you walk pasted 1 person that has any other strain you have a 10% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 2 people that have any other strain you have a 11% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 3 people that have any other strain you have a 12% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 4 people that have any other strain you have a 13% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 5 people that have any other strain you have a 15% chance of catching any other strain

the difference between being 2/3rds protected and 9/10ths protected isn't 33%. for all intents and purposes it's zero

[Mertron]

this is all well and good, but what is covids td/int rate

[Salodin]

Well, I didn't say that

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[Andalusian girls]

for easy math lets just say omicron has a 66.6% effectiveness rate vs omicron and 90% effectiveness vs any other strain

if you walk pasted 1 person that has omicron you have a 33% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 2 people that have omicron you have a 44% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 3 people that have omicron you have a 58% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 4 people that have omicron you have a 78% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 5 people that have omicron you have a 103% chance of catching omicron

on the flip side:

if you walk pasted 1 person that has any other strain you have a 10% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 2 people that have any other strain you have a 11% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 3 people that have any other strain you have a 12% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 4 people that have any other strain you have a 13% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 5 people that have any other strain you have a 15% chance of catching any other strain

the difference between being 2/3rds protected and 9/10ths protected isn't 33%. for all intents and purposes it's zero

right but that's not how math works

nor epidemiology one suspects

[kuronosan]

for easy math lets just say omicron has a 66.6% effectiveness rate vs omicron and 90% effectiveness vs any other strain

if you walk pasted 1 person that has omicron you have a 33% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 2 people that have omicron you have a 44% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 3 people that have omicron you have a 58% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 4 people that have omicron you have a 78% chance of catching omicron
if you walk pasted 5 people that have omicron you have a 103% chance of catching omicron

on the flip side:

if you walk pasted 1 person that has any other strain you have a 10% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 2 people that have any other strain you have a 11% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 3 people that have any other strain you have a 12% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 4 people that have any other strain you have a 13% chance of catching any other strain
if you walk pasted 5 people that have any other strain you have a 15% chance of catching any other strain

the difference between being 2/3rds protected and 9/10ths protected isn't 33%. for all intents and purposes it's zero

That's not how any of this works. At all. You're omitting transmissibility, resistance, antibody effectiveness, a person's immune status, and other factors beyond "66% effective". A condom is only 85% effective but in reality the vast majority of folks using them don't see a resulting pregnancy.

[archibaldcrane]

I want to die like Panda if this idiocy continues

[Tyrath]

Salad after seeing Rhyis' latest post