{COVID-19} Vaccination Injection Interjections VIII - Who cares at this point

[Day]

i think the vaccines could be better

[Yabby]

I agree, should just be one pill that wipes out all diseases, and cures cancer.

[Krandor]

With the omicron specific vaccine coming I'm not looking forward to getting jabbed every 6 months while still having to wear a mask everywhere and all the while governments keep feeding big pharma billions.

[Day]

I agree, should just be one pill that wipes out all diseases, and cures cancer.

true everything is completely binary

[NynJa]

I agree, should just be one pill that wipes out all diseases, and cures cancer.

They have one
Its called cyanide

[Day]

They have one
Its called cyanide

maybe my dentist can prescribe

[Yabby]

They have one
Its called cyanide

It really is a cure-all

[NynJa]

A psychiatrist is a doctor, numb nuts, fuck sake. And while I acknowledge you're likely doing that shit on purpose I'm certain there's a part of you that actually thinks they aren't, and it's frustrating because you perpetuate this idea with other people who legitimately think as such.

I see patients in the hospital. I give them fluids, treat their blood pressure, mild infections, diabetes, cholesterol, and other basic medical problems. I am a specialist in behavioral neurology.

It's not complicated. Does Omicron infect vaccinated people? Yes. At the same rate as unvaccinated? No. Are the people with full doses or the booster the majority of hospitalized cases? No, and it's infuriating you ignore the math and as a result sound incredibly ignorant to why vaccination is so important with your concrete shit thinking "vaccine no good".

I've argued with demented patients who had a stronger grasp of this than you and children who handled it with more maturity.

I'm done explaining this.

Cool story bro
But if the Dudes at Pfizer say what amounts to “Omicron doesnt give a shit about the vaccine”, well you obviously know more than them.

I'm guessing big pharma is gonna say whatever they gotta say to get more money, but thats probably not good optics.

[Tyche]

What fthe fuck are you talking about?

Bourla said the vaccine will also target the other variants that are circulating. He said it is still not clear whether or not an omicron vaccine is needed or how it would be used, but Pfizer will have some doses ready since some countries want it ready as soon as possible.

Bourla said it's not clear whether a fourth dose is needed. He said Pfizer will conduct experiments to determine if another dose is necessary.

[Tyche]

I mean if you're going to ***checks notes*** quote the prizer CEO, you should probably have some idea of what the fuck they said.

[Tyrath]

All this BS aside, MA finally launched a digital vaccine record system. Thank jebus.

[NynJa]

I mean if you're going to ***checks notes*** quote the prizer CEO, you should probably have some idea of what the fuck they said.

Its beyond the headline, I didnt expect you to read that far, its actually at the end of the previously listed article, last paragraph actually, the tail end
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/omic...-too-late.html

One thing that has become clear is that two doses aren't enough protection against omicron. "There is good evidence that the third dose is providing a lot more protection against omicron," Truelove says. Bourla also said Monday that two shots do not provide robust protection against infection with that variant.

And then that link in that quote does to another article.

"The two doses, they're not enough for omicron," Bourla said. "The third dose of the current vaccine is providing quite good protection against deaths, and decent protection against hospitalizations."
Bourla said omicron is a more difficult target than previous variants. Omicron, which has dozens of mutations, can evade some of the protection provided by Pfizer's original two shots.

"We have seen with a second dose very clearly that the first thing that we lost was the protection against infections," Bourla said. "But then two months later, what used to be very strong in hospitalization also went down. And I think this is what everybody's worried about."

[Tyche]

But the booster does. So the current vaccine recommendations work. To say "Omicron doesnt give a shit about the vaccine" is a far fucking cry from what Pfizer said and what is actual fact and evidence. Get the fuck in whatever your lane is, because it ain't healthcare or healthcare research.

[Tyche]

You interpreted Pfizer making a omicron specific vaccine as the current vaccines not working. You're wrong. In every way.

[NynJa]

But the booster does. So the current vaccine recommendations work. To say "Omicron doesnt give a shit about the vaccine" is a far fucking cry from what Pfizer said and what is actual fact and evidence. Get the fuck in whatever your lane is, because it ain't healthcare or healthcare research.

Oh ok, same link:

A booster dose, on the other hand, is up to 75% effective at preventing symptomatic infection and 88% effective at preventing hospitalization, according to the data.

However, Bourla said it's unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

So we gonna need boosters every 3 months?

You interpreted Pfizer making a omicron specific vaccine as the current vaccines not working. You're wrong. In every way.

"Its just a shit ton of breakthrough infections" lol

[Tyche]

Where's that gif of you moving goal posts. Or post one of a large truck backing up.

[Tyche]

"ok, so maybe the vaccine does give a shit, bit it may or may not last very long".

Where we moving the argument next?

[Tyche]

"Its just a shit ton of breakthrough infections" lol

Quoting breakthrough infections as a source and not symptomatic illness and hospitalizations is like saying "me and Serena Williams both play tennis".

[synistar]

Could we all agree the Reproduction Number estimates would be way higher than 2 if we didn't have a vaccine & boosters? We can also observe regional pockets that have rising case rates that's creeping into other regions because normal travel.

Pfizer and all the other vaccine manufacturers would like to instill confidence that their vaccines keep people out of hospital beds and the ICU - which they are doing quite successfully.

And it took my brain a bit to process archi's graphs because lol BG can't read graphs. The Reproduction Value is much higher in unvaccinated populations. It's just harder to parse when there is contradicting data (see SF's rising case rate per 100k). Just takes extra critical thinking steps to comprehend different population densities will have different increasing/decreasing infection rates. And that's why 14 day/1 month trends are better snapshots instead of hot takes especially with two back-to-back holidays creating information lag.

[kuronosan]

Could we all agree the Reproduction Number estimates would be way higher than 2 if we didn't have a vaccine & boosters? We can also observe regional pockets that have rising case rates that's creeping into other regions because normal travel.

Pfizer and all the other vaccine manufacturers would like to instill confidence that their vaccines keep people out of hospital beds and the ICU - which they are doing quite successfully.

And it took my brain a bit to process archi's graphs because lol BG can't read graphs. The Reproduction Value is much higher in unvaccinated populations. It's just harder to parse when there is contradicting data (see SF's rising case rate per 100k). Just takes extra critical thinking steps to comprehend different population densities will have different increasing/decreasing infection rates. And that's why 14 day/1 month trends are better snapshots instead of hot takes especially with two back-to-back holidays creating information lag.

This is well known in the medical community. The vast majority of hospitalized and ill cases are all unvaccinated, yet people keep touting "folks end up in the hospital with Omicron" as a reason why the vaccine isn't effective.

The fact that the vast majority of vaccinated folks, and especially those with boosters, are NOT hospitalized is pretty much proof of the opposite.

It's almost literally the equivalent of saying "WELL MOST PEOPLE WHO DIE IN REALLY BAD ACCIDENTS WERE WEARING SEATBELTS SO SEATBELTS AREN'T EFFECTIVE" while ignoring the significantly larger portion of deaths from accidents WITHOUT seatbelts.

It's a stupid hill to die on. Omicron can still infect and cause symptoms in vaccinated people, but it's ridiculous to assume it's equivalent to those without it.