{COVID-19} Vaccination Injection Interjections VIII - Who cares at this point

[archibaldcrane]

Thread about the new Moderna Omicron-tuned vaccine

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/s...4SS2bI_fQ&s=19

[NynJa]

The new October variant is gonna laugh at the Omicron vaccine just like Omicron laughed at the Delta vaccine.

Thats not a prediction, thats a spoiler.

[Tyrath]

Don't you put that evil on me ̶R̶i̶c̶k̶y̶ ̶B̶o̶b̶b̶y̶ Paul Heyman

[archibaldcrane]

The new October variant is gonna laugh at the Omicron vaccine just like Omicron laughed at the Delta vaccine.

Thats not a prediction, thats a spoiler.

There wasn't a Delta-tuned vaccine

There wasn't even a Beta-tuned vaccine

[Rhyis.]

omicron is practically a different virus entirely. i wouldn't be surprised if that vaccine does nothing but protect you from omicron and omicron alone, even if a new variant pops up

[archibaldcrane]

omicron is practically a different virus entirely. i wouldn't be surprised if that vaccine does nothing but protect you from omicron and omicron alone, even if a new variant pops up

Even the original vaccine provided a significant amount of protection against Omicron.

[archibaldcrane]

How long does it take for BG to misread this chart?

Brutal application of log-scale IMO

[Meresgi]

How long does it take for BG to misread this chart?

Brutal application of log-scale IMO

Well if i'm reading that chart properly it looks to me like Abortion should be illegal.

[Tyrath]

Even the original vaccine provided a significant amount of protection against Omicron.

Nah man, if it wasn't 100% effective it was 0% effective. Haven't you learned BG math yet?

[Ayn]

Well if i'm reading that chart properly it looks to me like Abortion should be illegal.

No, clearly what the chart illustrates is that none of you should never have left the Aery, for spike flail is the ultimate vaccine.

[Tyrath]

Inc Gredival with some kings camping analogy for vaccine distribution

[NynJa]

Covid cases were up 3-4x during winter 2021 (omicron) compared to winter 2020 (delta). Thats despite reduced testing in general and a lower population percentage vaccinated. Deaths and and hospitalizations were on par/up slightly in 2021 despite a lower amount of the population vaccinated in 2020.

Not getting into this shit again.

[Tyrath]

He says, wading into the shit

[archibaldcrane]

Delta didn't emerge in the US until summer 2021.

Please don't get into this shit again because you don't know what you're talking about.

[NynJa]

Winter 2020 = november 2020 to february 2021
Winter 2021 = november 2021 to february 2022

Whatever the fuckin variants names were, i cant keep up.

Fact of the matter is that despite more vaccinations, cases last winter were up 3-4 fold, and deaths/hospitalizations were either constant or a minor increase.


Out.

[Jaybar]

Remember all those vaccinated deaths, it was deplorable, almost crimin- huh? Oh, well never mind then.

[Rhyis.]

Even the original vaccine provided a significant amount of protection against Omicron.

The New England Journal of Medicine: Covid-19 Vaccine Effectiveness against the Omicron (B.1.1.529) Variant

Vaccine effectiveness was lower for the omicron variant than for the delta variant at all intervals after vaccination and for all combinations of primary courses and booster doses investigated. Among those who had received two ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 doses, almost no protective effect of vaccination against symptomatic disease caused by the omicron variant was noted from 20 to 24 weeks after the second dose. Among those who had received two BNT162b2 doses, vaccine effectiveness was 65.5% (95% CI, 63.9 to 67.0) 2 to 4 weeks after the second dose, dropping to 15.4% (95% CI, 14.2 to 16.6) after 15 to 19 weeks and dropping further to 8.8% (95% CI, 7.0 to 10.5) after 25 or more weeks. The vaccine effectiveness of two doses of mRNA-1273 vaccine had a similar reduction over time from 75.1% (95% CI, 70.8 to 78.7) after 2 to 4 weeks to 14.9% (95% CI, 3.9 to 24.7) after 25 or more weeks. Among persons who received ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 as the primary course, from 2 to 4 weeks after a BNT162b2 booster dose, vaccine effectiveness increased to 62.4% (95% CI, 61.8 to 63.0) before waning to 39.6% (95% CI, 38.0 to 41.1) after 10 or more weeks. The mRNA-1273 booster vaccine increased effectiveness to 70.1% (95% CI, 69.5 to 70.7) after 2 to 4 weeks. This waned to 60.9% (95% CI, 59.7 to 62.1) after 5 to 9 weeks. Vaccine effectiveness was lowest among those who received a ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 primary course with a ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 booster vaccine. Waning efficacy was most notable against the omicron variant, for which the vaccine effectiveness was 46.7% (95% CI, 34.3 to 56.7) at 5 to 9 weeks. Among persons who received BNT162b2 as the primary course, from 2 to 4 weeks after a BNT162b2 booster dose, vaccine effectiveness increased to 67.2% (95% CI, 66.5 to 67.8) before declining to 45.7% (95% CI, 44.7 to 46.7) after 10 or more weeks. The mRNA-1273 booster increased vaccine effectiveness to 73.9% (95% CI, 73.1 to 74.6) after 2 to 4 weeks before decreasing to 64.4% (95% CI, 62.6 to 66.1) after 5 to 9 weeks. After an mRNA-1273 primary course, vaccine effectiveness increased to 64.9% (95% CI, 62.3 to 67.3) at 2 to 4 weeks after a BNT162b2 booster and 66.3% (95% CI, 63.7 to 68.8) at 2 to 4 weeks after an mRNA-1273 booster.

Y'all really love anecdotal shit over actual real life medical science for some reason. If you want to argue, argue with the New England Journal of Medicine and the 2.5 million test subjects used to acquire the data.

The people that make these vaccines aren't making an Omicron specific vaccine because they are bored. They're making a completely new vaccine because the current one is ineffective against Omciron after only a couple of months. That means for the old vaccine to still be effective you would have had to have 3-4 boosters in the year 2022 alone.

Nah man, if it wasn't 100% effective it was 0% effective. Haven't you learned BG math yet?

Our findings indicate that two doses of vaccination with BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 are insufficient to give adequate levels of protection against infection with the omicron variant.

This isn't my math or my opinion. I'm quoting this directly, word for word, from arguably the most prestigious medical journal in the world. If you want to take issue with that, you do you boo.

[Koyangi]

*mic drop*

[archibaldcrane]

If infection was the only concern you'd have an ok point

But you're responding to a huge decrease in deaths with some shit about infections, and to that I say "be gone"

Also lol @ calling the CDC data I posted "anecdotes"

[archibaldcrane]

I mean

What are we doing here