SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) III: Abandoning 50 Years of Precedent

[Zealot]

I love you continue to think that the non-voting group somehow caused this, pointing at people who were pissed at Kamala for for not actually speaking against Israel's genocide as if that actually played a major role in all of this. It didnt, the large majority of voters like Trump's messages of improving the economy and helping out the working class despite it being a huge lie.

Well...

Democrats' secret report: Biden admin Israel-Hamas war stance cost Harris votes https://share.google/vhaiKkWtLyzQOKYBM

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[Mrbeansman]

I love you continue to think that the non-voting group somehow caused this, pointing at people who were pissed at Kamala for for not actually speaking against Israel's genocide as if that actually played a major role in all of this. It didnt, the large majority of voters like Trump's messages of improving the economy and helping out the working class despite it being a huge lie.

What can people do outside of waiting on the courts? Protest, march like the anti-ICE shit, get out in number because it's far easier to vanish people one by one and easier for limp dick Dems to just tell us to smile and nod and deal with it until we get to vote their pathetic asses back in until they see a city out on the streets and industry starting to suffer. The only way to drive the point home is to make profits drop for corps, not by pointing at Trump and going "But the cooooooourts ssaaaaaaaaaiiiiiidddd"

The leftists didn't cause this shit. This was a mix of a lot of shit but Biden played a huge role along with his advisors in thinking that him drooling in his cheerios every morning showed enough "oomph" to beat Trump in a debate. They let him go to the fucking debate...that tells you how incompetent they were. Kamala didn't help matters by going out on the trail close to the election with fucking Cheney's and Bill Clinton...

I don't really give a shit if people were on the verge of being evicted or being crushed in medical debt hell. If you voted for Trump because you thought he would improve your situation your obvious think your lively hood is more important than people's humans rights and you're an asshole who needs to be called out on it.

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[Mrbeansman]

I know all this protesting has done so much to solve the issues silly me for looking to the courts.

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[Tyrath]

I'd say it's a better option than 24/7 dooming over things completely out of your control, but I'm not the guy who works in mental health.

It shows. Because this is such an absurd take on being aware of the ongoings in the nation that I can't even. People are capable of enjoying other things in their life while still posting here and as Meresgi said, having a place to vent about the all the nonsense going on.

[Mrbeansman]

It shows. Because this is such an absurd take on being aware of the ongoings in the nation that I can't even. People are capable of enjoying other things in their life while still posting here and as Meresgi said, having a place to vent about the all the nonsense going on.

This goes both ways you know just because some of us don't want to declare game over yet doesn't mean we don't have fears and concerns over what's happening.

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[Tomiko]

What else do you reasonably think people can actually do outside of waiting on the courts? You know what would be a good start? Hold the leftist, the working class, and "muh genocide" people accountable for not voting and allowing this to happen

Honestly, I don't know outside of the planned mass protests.

As much as I dislike the group of people who refused to vote for Kamala over Palestine while hating Trump, I would rather hold the ones doing all the things going on accountable. Punish the ones doing illegal things, not the ones whose votes don't align with my beliefs. This goes for Trump voters as well, even if I don't agree with their beliefs. The laws should be impartial.

[Zealot]

Protesting is great, the problem is American protesting tends to be a planned and organized event that ends after a day. Occupy Wall Street was such a watershed moment because it actually was an organic mass demonstration that disrupted normality for people. That's also why it was so poorly covered and misrepresented in the media.

We're far past the point where protesting is going to do anything without occupation of property attached to it, and probably past the point where it will do anything without more significant statements than that, which is the most subtle I will be about it.

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[Cantih]

That's also why it was so poorly covered and misrepresented in the media.

And on this, you're basically going to have to build a new media system to replace the "unbiased" networks, and actively dismantle outlets like FOX.

[kuronosan]

The guy who works in mental health telling everyone they're not being negative enough.

Ah yes, you mean me telling people being skeptical and outspoken?

That's not telling people to be more negative. It's telling people to think more critically and to not confuse skepticism with pessimism.

I don't really give a shit if people were on the verge of being evicted or being crushed in medical debt hell. If you voted for Trump because you thought he would improve your situation your obvious think your lively hood is more important than people's humans rights and you're an asshole who needs to be called out on it.

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I really want to find common ground to agree with you on but it's hard to when you say things like this.

On one hand you're like "WOW JUST TELL EVERYONE TO ROLL OVER AND ACCEPT IT AND DO NOTHING YOU SUCK" but this post right here encapsulates the hypocrisy well.

It has to be pretty difficult to marginalize other people the way you accuse others of doing.

Like, fundamentally you and I do not disagree that human rights should be more important. The problem is, for many people - it isn't. Their ability to survive the now is where they are and it's not wrong in principle. It doesn't make it at all right for society.

So how can you take a stance of absolutism against people who voted selfishly but then tell other people they need to be patient and wait for the courts to do the right thing they really don't have a good track record at doing?

You accuse me of not understanding nuance but fail yourself to recognize it. If people voted selfishly they suck and deserve it. If people are skeptical the courts will accomplish anything meaningful they suck and are too negative. If people didn't vote they suck too. It's polarizing. What do you even stand for?

Like, seriously. Y'all can janitor me into the floor but I've had more rational people scream worse things at me in one hour than "lol literally your job mental health mop guy".

Yeah. You're fucking right it's my job. I listen to both sides of this almost non-stop and it's so bizarre that despite my comfortable lifestyle I STILL identify with your average person better than you.

Probably because I'm not actually an asshole. I just don't have a tolerance for simplistic rationale in the face of complicated problems.

But sure. Nuance away. Bring better arguments and make your curve less asymptotic next time. And maybe - just maybe instead of getting frustrated with people worried about their future because you have the privilege of worrying less about yours you make a concerted effort to understand rather than minimize their perspective.

[Tyrath]

This goes both ways you know just because some of us don't want to declare game over yet doesn't mean we don't have fears and concerns over what's happening.

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I mean I think this is the crux of the problem isn't it. You see people expressing their fears and being concerned the same as declaring game over.

Clearly this is all just a fight between glass half full and glass half empty people.

[Meresgi]

I don't really give a shit if people were on the verge of being evicted or being crushed in medical debt hell. If you voted for Trump because you thought he would improve your situation your obvious think your lively hood is more important than people's humans rights and you're an asshole who needs to be called out on it.

Just preaching from a soapbox. Sorry that's not how that works. Hierarchy of Needs, if you can't even keep yourself going you're not thinking about helping others.

[Tymon]

There is literally one (1) poster on this board that says "game over" and the last 2 pages of this thread are full of one side saying no actually ALL of y'all are saying that and then like 6 different people defending themselves from shit they don't even do. Meanwhile the only person relevant to said conversation hasn't posted at all.

Bravo.

[Kaslo]

Shoving your head in the sand and pretending everything is fine isn't really a long term winning mental health strategy.

Who says that's what we are doing? Maybe we just don't want to doom everyday and focus on what we can actually do. If you are constantly focused on the doom of it all you can't get anything done.

Edit: Nevermind Krandor said it first.

I'd say it's a better option than 24/7 dooming over things completely out of your control, but I'm not the guy who works in mental health.

[Tymon]

The current state of this country is like a train headed towards a cliff and the conductor wants it to. Sometimes it moves faster. Sometimes slower. Every once in a while somebody comes in and shuts off the engine and yells at the conductor "stop! you better not do that again!" and walks away. Then the train starts moving again.

Will the train go off the cliff? Idk. The issue is: We're all on the train.

[Tymon]

Who says that's what we are doing? Maybe we just don't want to doom everyday and focus on what we can actually do. If you are constantly focused on the doom of it all you can't get anything done.

Edit: Nevermind Krandor said it first.

Imagine posting this after an entire page of people explaining why it's not true. Are you even reading anything in here or are you just looking for things you can quote?

[Tyrath]

Who says that's what we are doing? Maybe we just don't want to doom everyday and focus on what we can actually do. If you are constantly focused on the doom of it all you can't get anything done.

Edit: Nevermind Krandor said it first.

What are you doing besides fantasizing that the courts will fix it? You also can't get anything done if you convince yourself things aren't that bad and everything will work itself out.

[Kaslo]

What are you doing besides fantasizing that the courts will fix it? You also can't get anything done if you convince yourself things aren't that bad and everything will work itself out.

Again, I never said things aren't bad. That's your projection because I believe that, at least regarding court cases, the Court's will call out unconstitutional actions, which they have.

But again, outside of supporting candidates who will stand up to Trump's policies, and trying to help those I can, what else can I do? Because you can't be suggesting a civil war uprising right now. Because that's the only other option I see.

[Tymon]

I mean, I see the government clearly goading on and making steps to prepare and fight a civil war uprising.

Pretty much every statement the administration and their lackeys make absolutely oozes with "make me bitch!"

To me it is the starkest contrast between 2016-2020 and today. They don't act like people concerned about their polling numbers or what the courts may or may not do. They act like people who are absolutely convinced they've already won and are just waiting for the chance to turn their safeties off.

[Kaslo]

I mean, I see the government clearly goading on and making steps to prepare and fight a civil war uprising.

Pretty much every statement the administration and their lackeys make absolutely oozes with "make me bitch!"

To me it is the starkest contrast between 2016-2020 and today. They don't act like people concerned about their polling numbers or what the courts may or may not do. They act like people who are absolutely convinced they've already won and are just waiting for the chance to turn their safeties off.

But the administration egging on a civil war, and the people rising up and starting one are different things.

[Tymon]

Certainly. The question becomes will things get to that point. If I was a betting man I'd say no. A lot of powerful white dudes would have to sign off on completely burning this place to a crisp and nuking the global economy for multiple generations. I don't think they've got the balls to do that.

Because that's the only way people here would rise up. You're right about that.