SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) III: Abandoning 90 Years of Precedent

[Zealot]

"You've yet to address any assertion," I addressed every one of them hours ago and you never said a word, tell me who isn't engaging. Disingenuous as fuck.

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[Zealot]

The way Spicy argues makes me think there's video out there of him getting his face caved in by a speed bag.

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[Day]

idk i think he's making a lot of sense

[Krandor]

Don't encourage it

Like giving a dog scraps from the table it's just reinforcing bad habits, but not remotely as cute.

[Spicyryan]

"You've yet to address any assertion," I addressed every one of them hours ago and you never said a word, tell me who isn't engaging. Disingenuous as fuck.

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Disingenuous? I went on about Pelosi voting for mass incarceration only to kneel down for a photo op like a phony civil rights leader in the wake of George Floyd. How the track record of the party is defending a free market capitalist status quo and not fighting for the voters they ask for support from while engaging in self-enrichment. Increasing the number of justices to reduce their over representation and lopsided authority and take make the executive less of a scramble to manipulate the judicary or any number of actual stances or statments I have engaged in. So on and so forth and your whole position seems to be a fear of "but, the GOP!"

Instead you are more inclined to:

The way Spicy argues makes me think there's video out there of him getting his face caved in by a speed bag.

idk i think he's making a lot of sense

Shh, save yourself.

[kuronosan]

People should simultaneously do something and nothing.

[Spicyryan]

People should simultaneously do something and nothing.

Pointing out that blocking a crosswalk after failing to legislate is theater. As well as that the party doesn't represent their voters unless it is politically convenient. Doesn't make what you said valid criticism of being critical at obvious flaws.

[Tomiko]

Pointing out that blocking a crosswalk after failing to legislate is theater. As well as that the party doesn't represent their voters unless it is politically convenient. Doesn't make what you said valid criticism of being critical at obvious flaws.

I barely keep up with things outside of this forum and minimal Reddit posts and even I know that the reason they failed is because of those who made up their minds long ago. There's only so much you can do when you have to rely on the other side who has no reason to work together. I'm not really sure what more you expect them to due without them having a majority in all voting areas.

[Zealot]

I think the reason you've brought out such disgust in me is that you are a novice acting like your uninformed view of politics is radical, edgy, or new in any way, and not the teenage whinging of someone who has never done more for their country or the advancement of their supposed views than cast blame about the internet.

It's clear you either skipped over or ignored everything I wrote that you didn't like since I wrote one post about the GOP and several specifically about the performative nature of politics in general, all in direct response to your assertions, including one of my own that if you want to shit all over Nancy Pelosi, be my guest.

But you're not just taking issue with the idea that several Congresswomen and officials would go to a protest and get arrested - the value of which I've repeated multiple times and you've flat out rejected the premise because you'd rather be mad - you're questioning the idea that multiple young women of color would be sincere in their desire to protect reproductive rights, because of inaction from the party years before any of them were elected.

Many of the women you're condemning are the most vocal in Congress for changing the leadership of the Democratic party, but I am certain you have neither the inclination nor the attention span to actually follow any of them beyond searching for your next source of holier-than-thou ire to spew at people trying to fight the same battles you pretend to.

You said that you were impressed by John Lewis's 2016 sit-in? Legislatively just as effective as the crosswalk blocking. Nothing came from Lewis's action, but he knew it was important to be in the news. Maybe you can tell me why, in 2022, the situation might be such that Democrats don't want a news cycle highlighting the idea of them occupying the Capitol. I am increasingly uncertain of your ability to parse out political realities but rub some brain cells together and tell me what you come up with. When you have an issue you can't make headway on politically, the important thing to do is keep it in the public eye through whatever means available to you.

You also said that what would make you happy is to see them working with their colleagues to actually enact legislation. Great. Tell me which 10 - 11 depending on what Manchin decides to defect about on any given day - GOP Senators you expect them to work with on passing federal abortion rights legislation. Because they could write that Bill in the House, pass it, and see it die in the Senate instantly, and you would condemn them for wasting time in the House and call it performative.

You offer nothing of value, no new insights or ideas, and are taking the one thing you've been justified about - anger at Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic establishment - out on people furthest away from her to the left in Congress and steadfastly refuse to acknowledge a difference between the two. Because 8-10 progressive members of the House haven't completely upended the entire Democratic party in the 2-4 years they've been in office, they're all equally as bad and aligned with the status quo. You are the worst kind of armchair general; the one who doesn't even want their own side to win.

[Mrbeansman]

Gotta love progressives who shit on the ACA becasue they personally saw no benefit from it.

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[Kaslo]

But you're not just taking issue with the idea that several Congresswomen and officials would go to a protest and get arrested - the value of which I've repeated multiple times and you've flat out rejected the premise because you'd rather be mad - you're questioning the idea that multiple young women of color would be sincere in their desire to protect reproductive rights, because of inaction from the party years before any of them were elected.

I still question the value of them getting arrested. AoC for example, her electorate doesn't have to worry about Abortion rights unless the GOP gets a supermajority in the Senate. And her electorate can't change that electoral process. So the value becomes, what does AoC do for getting Dems elected in Purple or Red States? And I would say jack shit. If anything people like the Squad and Bernie are liabilities for Red/Purple states. Everything they do will be used against any Democrat running. Hell, GOP in Red states don't even run on platforms anymore, because its enough that they hate the Squad to get them elected.

[Athas]

Yes, the Dems need more electorate representatives like Manchin.

[Spicyryan]

I think the reason you've brought out such disgust in me is that you are a novice acting like your uninformed view of politics is radical, edgy, or new in any way, and not the teenage whinging of someone who has never done more for their country or the advancement of their supposed views than cast blame about the internet.

It's clear you either skipped over or ignored everything I wrote that you didn't like since I wrote one post about the GOP and several specifically about the performative nature of politics in general, all in direct response to your assertions, including one of my own that if you want to shit all over Nancy Pelosi, be my guest.

But you're not just taking issue with the idea that several Congresswomen and officials would go to a protest and get arrested - the value of which I've repeated multiple times and you've flat out rejected the premise because you'd rather be mad - you're questioning the idea that multiple young women of color would be sincere in their desire to protect reproductive rights, because of inaction from the party years before any of them were elected.

Many of the women you're condemning are the most vocal in Congress for changing the leadership of the Democratic party, but I am certain you have neither the inclination nor the attention span to actually follow any of them beyond searching for your next source of holier-than-thou ire to spew at people trying to fight the same battles you pretend to.

You said that you were impressed by John Lewis's 2016 sit-in? Legislatively just as effective as the crosswalk blocking. Nothing came from Lewis's action, but he knew it was important to be in the news. Maybe you can tell me why, in 2022, the situation might be such that Democrats don't want a news cycle highlighting the idea of them occupying the Capitol. I am increasingly uncertain of your ability to parse out political realities but rub some brain cells together and tell me what you come up with. When you have an issue you can't make headway on politically, the important thing to do is keep it in the public eye through whatever means available to you.

You also said that what would make you happy is to see them working with their colleagues to actually enact legislation. Great. Tell me which 10 - 11 depending on what Manchin decides to defect about on any given day - GOP Senators you expect them to work with on passing federal abortion rights legislation. Because they could write that Bill in the House, pass it, and see it die in the Senate instantly, and you would condemn them for wasting time in the House and call it performative.

You offer nothing of value, no new insights or ideas, and are taking the one thing you've been justified about - anger at Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic establishment - out on people furthest away from her to the left in Congress and steadfastly refuse to acknowledge a difference between the two. Because 8-10 progressive members of the House haven't completely upended the entire Democratic party in the 2-4 years they've been in office, they're all equally as bad and aligned with the status quo. You are the worst kind of armchair general; the one who doesn't even want their own side to win.

I'm not pretending to be radical nor am I interested in. Personally don't believe I've actually said anything radical like "Stalin didn't kill enough people."I do however, think it's good for people to test various points of thought and idea though as well as inject it into the discourse. As much as you seem to want to cast doubt on the action of that as "never doing more than whining on the internet."

There is nothing to really skip over when seemingly the entirety of your centrist lack of an ideology is that the GOP is the greater of two evils. This is entirely delusional and suggests to me a level of enough comfort to be okay with a status quo of getting fucked. Then again you don't see it this way due to social conditioning and for whatever number of excuses you focus on. "The GOP is gonna win if you don't support them." Is not a valid argument to constantly address because it's simply reactionary fear-based reasoning. It's as if the entirety of your tent is held by the pole of circular reasoning in this regard.

You seem really hung up on excusing the lack of social action by democrats for decades with the fact that politics is theater. I never disagreed, but you are conflating end excusing some bullshit in a crosswalk as all politics being theater without judging the theater itself. Why are you injecting morality over women of color? It was never discussed on my end or even an issue at hand for pages. What an utter attempt at nonsense and to reduce all of this down to a culture war. This typical short-sighted knee-jerk sort of surface level analysis is a massive reason why well-meaning democrats just play themselves and get nowhere. The fact you think that's just holier than though means that not only are you displaying an incapability at examining your own ideas beyond basic values, but that you dispel the attempt of others to do so as "holier-than-thou."

Why do you think a sit-in of over 100 congressional figures on the actual House floor for days in opposition to their counterparts is the equivalent of 16 of them standing in a crosswalk? I'm not saying that the sit-in was the end-all-be-all, but wow do you miss the point regularly. What sort of discussion is going to happen in the crosswalk? None? Okay lovely, hope we all feel better that nothing is getting done beyond the typical limp democratic "opposition" on social media. Apparently that and a news story is all democrats are capable of achieving. Since they sure don't want to actually engage with their working class leaving the party in droves. Take a look at the recent election in Texas 34th and then take a look at that crosswalk picture again.

The whole "can't get the votes" is another beaten dead horse or an excuse. Especially for one so fond of incremental change as you. All of Biden's bluster about experience, working across the isle, and so on yet he and Pelosi can't even lead their own party let alone incrementally change things in a way that suits even you. The cognitive dissonance it takes to support the democratic party at this point is glaring. You've settled for outsider darlings of the very party that tried to stop them from being elected in the first place being "outspoken" as some achievement. What a new
and unsurprising lower low.

You aren't the left, and I do not identify as some FDR progressive. Democrats are a center-right party. One which had turned it's back on having an actual cohesive platform, it's very voters, and whose core issue is "stop the GOP!" As well as feigning social compassion. To sit around and "Nou" me over what I've said about them being the party of corporate interests and maintainer of the status quo, not a solution. Is the final step in insulating yourself from even the most basic truths or a material analysis.

[Kaslo]

Yes, the Dems need more electorate representatives like Manchin.

They would prefer more like Josh Hawley? Or Ted Cruz? Or Marco Rubio?

[Spicyryan]

Yes, the Dems need more electorate representatives like Manchin.

Manchin shows just how deep the lack of unity runs in the party. He is liked by even the Trumpiest of voters. Who does what his people think is right, and actually understands reaching out to his base. Something the democratic party has demonstrated an embarrassing inability to do.

Doesn't change the fact that I believe he is a scumbag coal baron and enemy of the working class people who support him. However, Democrats don't seem to take any lessons from him. Meanwhile, Republicans and associated conservative and socially regressive individuals keep "winning". While community college graduates on Twitter and Reddit keep wondering how on earth they keep losing ground to such rednecks and backwards individuals. As they post how "bad" these people are, and blame people for not voting Democrat, lol.

[Zealot]

So your takeaway from everything is that I'm a centrist. Ok, we're done here.

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[Andalusian girls]

why did u ever start you silly silly man

[Andalusian girls]

do not argue with a fool, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience

[Spicyryan]

So your takeaway from everything is that I'm a centrist. Ok, we're done here.

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If they made you as a Thermos or Contigo or something. Would you have a double wall or a triple wall to insulate yourself off?

Is calling you a centrists and the Democratic party center-right really so unbelievably outrageous that your final answer is "Okay! We're done here"?

[Meresgi]

They would prefer more like Josh Hawley? Or Ted Cruz? Or Marco Rubio?

We need to keep pushing the needle the other way with actual progressives, GoP have no issue running full steam the other direction when they're in power yet Dems just can't muster the energy....probably because they're also paid off by the same groups.