SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) III: Abandoning 90 Years of Precedent

[Meresgi]

It's totally their fault and not the lack of unity with wishy washy constituents.

I do wish they would fight more, but why fucking fight for people who don't appreciate at least incremental progress?

So Dems not doing shit is our fault suddenly? lol. They made people wishy washy by promising everything and then castrating all those changes the moment they got into office because they wanted to play both sides of the aisle and extend an olive branch to a group who is ACTIVELY trying to fucking get their constituents to show up and murder them.

Listen, I would always rather take 1 step forward than 10 steps back.

Complains about the flaws of incrementalism, ignores the fact that's how Republicans got us into this state by doing incrementalism over the last 40+ years.

They did, and it worked for them. You think we can do the exact same thing slowly? Sure we can get our people in lower levels and slowly work them up but soon as GoP see that, down comes the hammer to stop it and shut down the same roads they used to get where they are. You think they'll just sit back and let us slowly build back?

People are wishy washy because the Dems haven't either A) done anything for them and only appeased rich liberals in their suburbs who are basically GoP before GoP decided they wanted to go full throttle fascist B)Failed at marketing what they have done with stupid fucking names for their bills. Point B has lead us to where poor Americans think Ted Cruz has their best interests at heart because they don't understand everything government does for them and honestly at this point, they never fucking will.

I'm just pointing out that the thought of "Well in 40yrs it MAYE COULD be better! " doesn't mean shit to people suffering now.

Do I have a solution? Fuck no, I don't think anyone has the right idea of how to fix this now but I'm also not sure there even is a fix as doom and gloom as that sounds.

[Spicyryan]

Do I have a solution? Fuck no, I don't think anyone has the right idea of how to fix this now but I'm also not sure there even is a fix as doom and gloom as that sounds.

That's really just something used to suppress dissent or difference in discussions of American politics rather than a sincere desire to hear another's ideas. So, your heart is in the right place, and you at least can see the picture, even if you don't understand it all. That's better than what has been demonstrated otherwise in the thread. I really can't stress enough the importance of understanding the realities of the circumstances. It's part of material analysis.

From there, we can all argue over nationalizing the oil industry or restructuring FEMA or why everyone's lives improve when we don't treat housing as an asset. However, first comes being critical of the two political parties that overtly support the interests of the wealthy over the needs and welfare of the people.

[kuronosan]

Yes, it is our fault.

Don't you think there's a reason Republicans have been getting what they want?

Hint: they're playing the long game and fall in line.

[Fiye]

Incremental is and will also be the only way forward without government reforms that are now impossible because the founding fathers never gave the people a direct way to put amendments to a vote.

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Considering what bullshit has come out of califonia maybe that's not the worst thing

Yes, it is our fault.

Don't you think there's a reason Republicans have been getting what they want?

Hint: they're playing the long game and fall in line.

I mean its all the long game of inventing an entire ecosystem where your own ideology is self reinforced. Turns out the Federalist society was onto something.

Also helps when you have near unlimited funds to keep even the dumbest dipshit on the air.

[kuronosan]

Too many times I've asked people what they want Democrats to do differently, and the answer ends up being "do what the Republicans are doing" which would literally and figuratively make themno different.

You want better government, vote for it. People who didn't vote in 2016 are responsible as fuck for the situation we're in now. Obama said it at one point "Don't boo, vote." and he was memeingly right.

Your calls for better representation are about as hollow as Day's emotional state when he thinks he's getting under my skin.

[Fiye]

You want better government, vote for it. People who didn't vote in 2016 are responsible as fuck for the situation we're in now. Obama said it at one point "Don't boo, vote." and he was memeingly right.

More people voting doesn't fix shit. If more people voting helped dems more so than Rs than 2020 would have had a vastly different outcome. Nevermind how voting rights are getting challenged in multiple states + states governments have an incentive to make voting harder for certain blocs + how our fucking senate will always lean more conservative thanks to the overall meta of how this shit works out.

Literally have our dem leaderships backing anti abortion pro gun candidates over progressive ones + whatever the fuck AIPAC is doing.

[Spicyryan]

More people voting doesn't fix shit. If more people voting helped dems more so than Rs than 2020 would have had a vastly different outcome. Nevermind how voting rights are getting challenged in multiple states + states governments have an incentive to make voting harder for certain blocs + how our fucking senate will always lean more conservative thanks to the overall meta of how this shit works out.

Literally have our dem leaderships backing anti abortion pro gun candidates over progressive ones + whatever the fuck AIPAC is doing.

But Obama didn't say that. He said vote. Ol' Barack would lead us astray now, would he?

[Mrbeansman]

Employer health insurance premiums for families have risen 47% in 10 years. Last year my wife looked at the cost or adding me to her health insurance. It was around an extra 1k a month essentially. We laughed and said no.

Meanwhile, cost of living is up, purchasing power is down. Where is this affordable healthcare??

The ACA is an overall failure unless the bar is so low that covering pre-existing conditions, a failure to fully expand Medicaid, a failure to control costs, a failure to introduce a public option, a failure to enforce a mandate, a failure to implement subsidy coverage without a massive gap, a failure to address the underlying issues of the medical system, etc.

What a success of incrementalism. Seeing as nothing has gotten done on it since then, and in fact only moved backwards. You'd think with a pandemic killing over 1 million Americans that Biden could at least try to work on any of the many holes in it, but once again status quo Joe.

Would I rather have the ACA than not? I mean that's like asking if I rather eat shit or starve. It's more like the illusion of choice.

So because you in your financially secure household saw no benefit from it it was a a failure gotcha.

[kuronosan]

But Obama didn't say that. He said vote. Ol' Barack would lead us astray now, would he?

What did not voting do in 2016 I'll wait

[thetruepandagod]

gave us the best political memes of our lifetimes?

[kuronosan]

Touche.

[Athas]

Did it though? Everything seemed pretty played out before day 1.

[Krandor]

covfefe was like 4 months into the presidency

[Spicyryan]

So because you in your financially secure household saw no benefit from it it was a a failure gotcha.

We laughed because we couldn't afford spending that much on healthcare. Not because I am wealthy, which I am not.

That was really your takeaway from all of that?

What did not voting do in 2016 I'll wait

About the same as the popular vote. What is your point?

[Mrbeansman]

We laughed because we couldn't afford spending that much on healthcare. Not because I am wealthy, which I am not.

That was really your takeaway from all of that?



About the same as the popular vote. What is your point?

Your obviously getting by unlike the people you hurt when you let republicans win and gut the social safety net but again that doesnt affect you so you dont care.

[Cail]

This shit is still going?

[Spicyryan]

Your obviously getting by unlike the people you hurt when you let republicans win and gut the social safety net but again that doesnt affect you so you dont care.

As convenient of an explanation for you as that may be. I do in fact have feelings.

I would challenge you on the Democrats defense of the "social safety net". If there isn't a crisis like COVID or The Great Recession then Democrats don't have a great record on fighting for it either. Whether it was Bill Clinton seeking to "end welfare as we know it" or Obama's "National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform" after losing the mid-terms. Which was only half as funny as Obama's push later to limit cost-of-living increases for Social Security after winning re-election in 2012. I guess he took that as his mandate. Luckily an Independent stepped in to stop the Obama/Biden's Democratic party from doing that.

[NynJa]

Aww your widdle feefees got hurt? Looks like you'll need what waaambulance after all.

[Spicyryan]

Aww your widdle feefees got hurt? Looks like you'll need what waaambulance after all.

This is why you get beat with that fat wad of $5,000.

[NynJa]

Oh pls, u couldnt beat an egg.