SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) III: Abandoning 90 Years of Precedent

[Byrthnoth]

I will have to wait and see how this election goes before I determine whether abortion rights were the motivating issue that people are making them out to be.

Generously, 5% of potential voters would get an abortion in the future if possible, and ~none want to be in a situation where they need one.

I hope everyone is right that this will get purple state suburbanite women to vote for Democrat candidates, but I worry.

[Yabby]

I hope i eat my words when i say, i don't think it will do shit. R's are going to sweep this shit, and America is going to go down with it.

[Forte]

I will have to wait and see how this election goes before I determine whether abortion rights were the motivating issue that people are making them out to be.

Generously, 5% of potential voters would get an abortion in the future if possible, and ~none want to be in a situation where they need one.

I hope everyone is right that this will get purple state suburbanite women to vote for Democrat candidates, but I worry.

The wonderful thing about being a pessimist is, when you're right, you get the pleasure of knowing you're right, and when you're wrong, you get the pleasure of knowing the burning hellscape you predicted to happen didn't.

[Tymon]

I will have to wait and see how this election goes before I determine whether abortion rights were the motivating issue that people are making them out to be.

Generously, 5% of potential voters would get an abortion in the future if possible, and ~none want to be in a situation where they need one.

I hope everyone is right that this will get purple state suburbanite women to vote for Democrat candidates, but I worry.

Reality is somewhere in the middle, in a bad way, probably.

It's not this page's hot take where everything is bad and the GOP gets a double supermajority and declares the Fourth Reich, but it's not going to swing towards the D's either.

Just going to be another result that causes 2-6(-10?) more years of incremental regression hell.

[Lokus]

Guess it wasn't mentioned here but the measure in Kansas is worded in such a way to be confusing so that people think voting Yes means abortion will be protected. It's sure to catch some people that haven't been keeping up.

[Spicyryan]

God, while I understand the anger, understand the feeling of not mattering even though you matter strongly, the actual fuck are you expecting here? Look at the actual fucking calculus here. You have two choices. You have a party that sometimes tries to give a shit about you, and a party that actively wants you to be slaves again. The FUCK do you think is the point of even considering flirting with voting Republican? What is the god damn point in that? Will it make the Democrats care about you more? No. Will it make your lives any better? No. Will it harm you SIGNIFICANTLY as we have seen in this thread? YES.

Everyone who makes these grandiose statements about doing anything but continuing to try to vote for the side that at least SOMEWHAT gives a shit about you is beyond stupid. There is no other game in town. There is no alternative. There is no third party that can win. It's not going to fucking happen and you are delusional if you think otherwise. The ONLY path forward with ANY benefits is to try to work with the system that is NOT going away. Period. Malcolm was a smart man, but not being able to see the very big picture is stupid.

I feel like this entire philosophical argument can be completely dismissed with a single question: "Okay, what are you going to do instead?"

No, you don't understand, and what the hell was that line on "not mattering even though you matter." Lol? At best what I see is an acknowledgement, and a fear driven response. That there's no choice, but to hope for concessions from one party. That otherwise, the other old white guys are going to get yah. "Please oh please, leave me be." In the end though, no. No, they don't "somewhat give a shit" about you.

That entire response was rather sad to see. Just the extent of depth of despair your thought process had to go through to reach the "no choice, but to vote blue." The hope, the delusion, and the self-reassurance of it all that others just have no solution, at least no viable one.

This statement doesn't require a solution though: If this is the extent of your institution. Then your institution is not worth preserving. It is beyond reform.

[Kaslo]

It's okay, we will just vote for Trump to make those liberals choose Bernie next time!

[Spicyryan]

It's okay, we will just vote for Trump to make those liberals choose Bernie next time!

Why keep pretending that your life be dramatically different from today if he was re-elected? Shit, you still have democratic voters desperately hoping he is "brought to justice" for Jan 6th. The cats out of the bag, and shit like that doesn't really matter.

[Kaslo]

Why keep pretending that your life be dramatically different from today if he was re-elected? Shit, you still have democratic voters desperately hoping he is "brought to justice" for Jan 6th. The cats out of the bag, and shit like that doesn't really matter.

Actually my life likely would be much different, but for reasons I can't say because of attorney-client privilege reasons.

[Spicyryan]

Actually my life likely would be much different, but for reasons I can't say because of attorney-client privilege reasons.

That's pretty funny, but I'm not talking about your career, obviously.

[Kaslo]

https://twitter.com/lisamurkowski/st...NDI3kDFerblK7g

Feels like Murkowski has been set a little free with Alaska's adoption of a final four election system.

[Eurell]

Why keep pretending that your life be dramatically different from today if he was re-elected?

All the people being forced to give birth are gonna have pretty dramatically different lives.

[Spicyryan]

All the people being forced to give birth are gonna have pretty dramatically different lives.

You say that like it access to it hasn't already been this way. Only difference is now that the middle of the country has to travel farther, but women in states like Texas were already driving 5,6,7,8 or more hours to get to a clinic before Roe v Wade was even repealed. Otherwise, there's more than a single issue at hand, generally.

Once again, abortion has been on the ballot everytime, and there's nothing the democratic voters have to show for it. The only answer these people can come up with is blaming others for not voting with them like a donkey with blinders on.

[Eurell]

You're acting like it isn't obviously worse right now.


Jesus Christ I got caught responding to spicy

[NynJa]

Rekt

[Spicyryan]

You're acting like it isn't obviously worse right now.


Jesus Christ I got caught responding to spicy

If I spill something on the floor in my kitchen. My kitchen is now worse, but the entirety of the kitchen isn't radically different due to an unfortunate event. There will be plenty of spills in your kitchen, but a few big spills don't determine what your kitchen is.

[Zealot]

Thanks for the blind man's take Spicy, next up we'll go live to a group of economically advantaged white liberals who will sniff their own farts while repeating the exact phrase that they don't see how anything is different, but first, sports.

[Roranora]

If I spill something on the floor in my kitchen. My kitchen is now worse, but the entirety of the kitchen isn't radically different due to an unfortunate event. There will be plenty of spills in your kitchen, but a few big spills don't determine what your kitchen is.

everyone in this room is now dumber

[Spicyryan]

Thanks for the blind man's take Spicy, next up we'll go live to a group of economically advantaged white liberals who will sniff their own farts while repeating the exact phrase that they don't see how anything is different, but first, sports.

What a hot take that ironically is what I am accusing angsty liberals of being.

[Lucavi]

I will have to wait and see how this election goes before I determine whether abortion rights were the motivating issue that people are making them out to be.

Generously, 5% of potential voters would get an abortion in the future if possible, and ~none want to be in a situation where they need one.

I hope everyone is right that this will get purple state suburbanite women to vote for Democrat candidates, but I worry.

Its not, and everyone is wrong. Just like they were wrong about suburban white women not shilling for Trump despite all of their bluster and "anger" over his stupidity and misogyny.

There is no needle mover out there, when it comes to voting. There are needle movers that will make a person campaign for specific regulations, like said suburban women suddenly being anti-drunk driving once Timmy crashes their SUV into a tree after a bender, but those issues are completely different than voting.

Its not pessimism at this point; its certifiable fact. Look at the last elections. We have the data.

The problem isn't so much swinging Right voters to the Left, but getting non-voters to actually fucking vote. When you have 55% of women who said they dramatically oppose the SCOTUS abortion ruling say that they aren't planning on voting at all, what the fuck can you do?