SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) III: Abandoning 90 Years of Precedent

[Krandor]

All these years of free discrimination against Asians finally coming back to bite all the other minority groups in the ass.

[Mertron]

it’s going to be very funny when white people with 1600 SATs and 4.0s still sue when they don’t get admitted because of legacy admissions

[Yabby]

it’s going to be very funny when white people with 1600 SATs and 4.0s still sue when they don’t get admitted because of legacy admissions

Pretty much.


This also means that anyone that doesn't grow up in a place that has access to extended education will never have a chance. Where i lived, the person with the highest GPA capped at 4.3 while in other places can get close to 5+. She couldn't get higher because we didn't have access to programs that allowed inflated GPA growth.

[Krandor]

Isn't this ruling literally only about the elite/ivy league schools?

This isn't some massive blanket ban on affirmative action

[Byrthnoth]

https://twitter.com/LeahLitman/statu...11839604633600

Big sigh energy

[Andalusian girls]

Isn't this ruling literally only about the elite/ivy league schools?

This isn't some massive blanket ban on affirmative action

no, it ends the use of race as a consideration in all college admissions. tho in a bit of profound good for thee not for me hypocrisy they explicitly exempted military academies citing "potentially distinct interests" (ie it would be bad for morale and the state relies on minorities to hit enrollment quotas)

[Andalusian girls]

Decision is that Harvard is going to be 95% Asian and the blacks are fucked.

it's ok their refusal to touch legacy admissions ensures privileged honkies will maintain an unearned place at the table

[Krandor]

My b, i thought the ruling was specifically about the big boy fancy pants colleges

[Tyche]

So, I didn't dig into the opinion. Can schools look at the social situations and backgrounds of applicants if race is ignored?

[Andalusian girls]

from a quick glean I sawr Roberts appears to carve out a little space where someone who personally experienced racial discrimination could receive some kind of positive consideration for that, presumably illustrated in their personal essay

[synistar]

So, I didn't dig into the opinion. Can schools look at the social situations and backgrounds of applicants if race is ignored?

“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise,” Roberts wrote. “A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose heritage or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual — not on the basis of race.”

[Tyche]

So, this opinion will probably just make them rewrite applicant filtering software?

That's not an entirely braindead take. There are affluent blacks and Latinos and destitute whites and Asians, but still, it's not reflective of the real world. The issue is going to be the precarious position of admissions officers asking "is the discrimination suffered by this black kid worse than the discrimination suffered by this Asian kid...and if it is, is that discrimination worth 0.2 GPA points."

[Tyche]

Holy shit, Ketanji Brown murdered John Roberts re: military carveout.

"The court has come to rest on the bottom line conclusion that racial diversity in higher education is only worth potentially preserving insofar as it might be needed to prepare Black Americans and other underrepresented minorities for success in the bunker, not the boardroom".

[Koyangi]

Ehh, most military jobs aren't on the battle lines, and military style academy's graduate you as an Officer. "Grunts" are enlisted, not commissioned.

[Tyche]

I think she was playing with alliteration and didn't mean literal bunker, but pointing out how we're OK with representative darkies in war efforts but not higher education. I got the OG South Park movie burned into my brain.

[synistar]

Holy shit, Ketanji Brown murdered John Roberts re: military carveout.

"The court has come to rest on the bottom line conclusion that racial diversity in higher education is only worth potentially preserving insofar as it might be needed to prepare Black Americans and other underrepresented minorities for success in the bunker, not the boardroom".

#45 showed that a rich white male can succeed in a bunker and not the boardroom.

Man those Bunker Boy memes.

[Tymon]

I'd like to say I support the decision because it stops a lot of Asian Americans from being disenfranchised and this opens up the door for more sensible, modern, and more universally effective admissions policies.

We don't have nice things around here though, so, oh well.

[Dimmauk]

I'd like to say I support the decision because it stops a lot of Asian Americans from being disenfranchised and this opens up the door for more sensible, modern, and more universally effective admissions policies.

We don't have nice things around here though, so, oh well.

Yeah, it would be nice, but nice rarely happens.

So what else is left on republican white nationalist wishlists?

[Lokus]

I'd like to say I support the decision because it stops a lot of Asian Americans from being disenfranchised and this opens up the door for more sensible, modern, and more universally effective admissions policies.

We don't have nice things around here though, so, oh well.

A lot of things are originally implemented because otherwise, people with power won't behave and be sensible. The implementation might be too heavy-handed, and you end up with unintended consequences though, i.e., Asian disenfranchisement.

[Andalusian girls]

yall need to google disenfranchisement, but while an ethnic minority Asian-Americans are overrepresented in private schools, have higher household income than whites (and thus all other major racial groupings), are closing on whites for most aggregated wealth, highest educational achievement, etc. if we chop America into the 5 big racial-ethnic divides they are at the top of the pie by most class measures. but that is also a gross oversimplification of the portrait, Asian-Americans have the highest income inequality of any ethnic group and there are stark, ghastly subgrouping divides, such as 75% of Indian Americans having a bachelor's degree or higher versus 15% of Laotians and Cambodians. if one is seeking to mold a more equitable society it is insanity to treat Indian Americans as one would a Laotian American but here we are.

it's honestly a fascinating case study in class vs ethnicity. they are indeed an ethnic minority (or rather a collection of them), but by class the most privileged of any major group, including whites, and that's reflective in the topic at hand. as many are saying this SCOTUS decision will benefit their admissions to Harvard, but they're presently making up 30% of Harvard's incoming freshman class while making up 5% of the nation's public high school populace. from the perspective of absolute blind fairness this decision will aid some Asian-American applicants yes, but from the perspective of levelling the societal playing field in favor of historically disenfranchised ethnic minorities (the raison d'etre of affirmative action) this ruling will affect some measure of increasing the overrepresentation of the most overrepresented racial subgrouping at the expense of the least represented (in addition of course to aiding the historically privileged white majority).