Putin in Russia (II): Spicy Island Liberation Front

[thetruepandagod]

[Uzor]

You're right. Russia is a saint and would never invade other countries. It's all due to America, you've convinced me.

[Tymon]

Biggest escalation in the conflict in 3 weeks (arguably longer) and everyone in here is arguing with Spicy instead. Prime BG

[archibaldcrane]

Yeah can we get back to the battle instead of geopolitics for retards 101?

[Spicyryan]

You're right. Russia is a saint and would never invade other countries. It's all due to America, you've convinced me.

Look, it's easy to be annoyed at the assertion of assigning blame multilaterally when you hold bias towards one party. It isn't so easy to care about the truths, both ways. Russia will have no problem taking the blame, even if it doesn't want to. I'm just asking it to be assigned honestly. It's simply not okay for the West to do what it's done as if it's some Eric Andre meme and "how can Russia have done this?!" While everyone watching Sky, DW, CNN, or the BBC is outraged at the result of a train wreck that departed the station in the West.
Apparently, according to this thread so far. Acts of war are a unilateral affair to the West, but in the other direction they should just accept it and put their tail between their legs.

[Gredival]

No one here is biased except you. We all recognize that America has no only committed atrocities, but those atrocities were integral to the creation of the world order as it stands today.

You however are unique in your retardation in thinking that there is a better world awaiting us even if it were possible to burn it all down. America (or the European West) is not unique, nor exceptional, in its violence. The Bushmen and the Bantu. The Persians and Egypt and Greece. The Khan clan had all of Asia, the Middle East, and very nearly all of Europe. Western hegemony is a relatively recent historical trend, and the cumulative death count actually reflects that.

The western liberal international order also benefits from the fact that the resources it extracted from the rest of the world helped to foster faster democratic transitions, which have had a moderating influence on their violence. Again, that is not to say that the west (namely America) doesn't screw up (Iraq) or meddle for our own ends (South America, Iran). But your head is so far up your ass you want to equate this with countries who still have active genocidal campaigns. The whole reason the west is the best equipped to lead is that we developed past that shit already. Even in the Trump era, we had the ability to protest and hold the government accountable for its shit in ways that are simply not imaginable in countries like NoKo, China, and Russia.

You're just as Eurocentric in your thinking; you make the white man the center of the world, but you just refuse to recognize the problems with that because you think saying "white man bad" justifies it.

[Demosthenes]

Imagine knowing all this shit and still being a dumbfuck.

[Spicyryan]

No one here is biased except you. We all recognize that America has no only committed atrocities, but those atrocities were integral to the creation of the world order as it stands today.

You however are unique in your retardation in thinking that there is a better world awaiting us even if it were possible to burn it all down. America (or the European West) is not unique, nor exceptional, in its violence. The Bushmen and the Bantu. The Persians and Egypt and Greece. The Khan clan had all of Asia, the Middle East, and very nearly all of Europe. Western hegemony is a relatively recent historical trend, and the cumulative death count actually reflects that.

The western liberal international order also benefits from the fact that the resources it extracted from the rest of the world helped to foster faster democratic transitions, which have had a moderating influence on their violence. Again, that is not to say that the west (namely America) doesn't screw up (Iraq) or meddle for our own ends (South America, Iran). But your head is so far up your ass you want to equate this with countries who still have active genocidal campaigns. The whole reason the west is the best equipped to lead is that we developed past that shit already. Even in the Trump era, we had the ability to protest and hold the government accountable for its shit in ways that are simply not imaginable in countries like NoKo, China, and Russia.

You're just as Eurocentric in your thinking; you make the white man the center of the world, but you just refuse to recognize the problems with that because you think saying "white man bad" justifies it.

Bu~ullshit, there has been clear bias in the unilateral thinking towards the situation. Where even fairly attributing the causes of the conflict is rejected as being an apologist or "fucking stupid". Which, is fucking stupid.

I would counter as well by saying that the inverse of believing there is no better world awaiting, as in we somehow achieved a peak order, is an nonunique retardation and preservation of a flawed and corrupt status quo. What you advocate for is imperialism, neocolonialism, and a false representation of democracy. All in the excuse of a greater good which is simply not so to anyone objective not excusing a fear of the unknown or their own position benefiting from it at those they do not care to consider.
Merely saying "sometimes we screw up", as if I were simply demanding perfection from what is a violent rogue state and it's vassals rather than the benign hegemon you paint it as. Is to cover up the depth of not only the inadequacy, but the cost of clear wrongdoing. Not unique to "mistakes", but inherent in the system. You could even call this a savior complex as your benign hegemon is simply "past that shit already" and must carry the burden of keeping what is alluded to as a less civilized world in check. As if anyone asked that of the imperial core which only did so to ensure its own power and prestige. As it has for centuries, and excused much in the same as you do today.

America sits there interfering in democratic elections in South America and regularly carrying out coups to subvert democracy, causing death: "Why can't you see we are better equipped to lead you?!"

[TsingTao]

Yeah can we get back to the battle instead of geopolitics for retards 101?

Yeah, that would be great wouldn't it?

And the balls on the guy filming the flaming tanker cars. Truly no fucks to give.

[NynJa]

If you hate America so much because of how atrociously terrible it is and think Russia is such a great place, why dont you move back there?

[Cantih]

Just perma him already.
Of if you can't because of his wiki work, then at least give him a section ban.

[thetruepandagod]

people calling for bans are more pathetic than spicy ngl

[Spicyryan]

If you hate America so much because of how atrociously terrible it is and think Russia is such a great place, why dont you move back there?

I've in no way said Russia is a great place. Stop it.

people calling for bans are more pathetic than spicy ngl

Its just a failure to have a discussion. Which is what a forum is, a place for it and not an echochamber. The only ones putting forth any sort of genuine response in the recent history of the thread has been AG, Uzor, and Gred.

I'm not so entrenched in my views and opinions that I refused to admit anything. I am calling it as I see it, and even providing greater context from actual intellectuals on the matter, as I am not an intellectual. The problem is the inadequacy in the ability of certain individuals here to dispute a supported opinion that isn't accepted from someone, like Forte or Nynja. Which leads to a deeper extent of nonsense. I am not repeatedly calling anyone a pedophile or trolling by purposely misrepresenting ones view in order to throw some weak insult like they are.
It should really be understood that I do actually have a love and bias for Ukraine. I resent the West leading it down the primrose path and manipulating it for an expansion of their hegemon, and I will be damned if I will let the west not receive its fair share of blame in the understanding around this disaster. Russia wrongly and criminally responded to and caused the war because of the West setting the scene, but it only did so because of the US and EU, end of story. As much as everyone rightfully hates on Putin. They should also be just as critical towards the US involvement here.

[Cyn]

people calling for bans are more pathetic than spicy ngl

Politics sub would probably die off without the resident shitposters. May as well just hang out in r/politics at that point.

[Zealot]

This isn't guartz or the D4 guy, Spicy isn't doing this because he's stupid. He just has an allergic reaction to group consensus.

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[thetruepandagod]

i just cant imagine crying so hard you would demand a ban of someone, let alone with the existence of an ignore button

[Demosthenes]

He might be saying silly shit, but he's not being aggressively idiotic.

[Spicyryan]

This isn't guartz or the D4 guy, Spicy isn't doing this because he's stupid. He just has an allergic reaction to group consensus.

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There is a lot of group consensus that is really horseshit in general within the minds of americans. Foreign policy and understanding shit outside their borders—like this—being a prime example. That, or you know, white peoples general understanding of racism from the standpoint of "BUT IM NOT GUILTY!" Take your pick, there is a long list of things out of place that are accepted as group consensus. It is not easy to go against group consensus, and is tiring.

[thetruepandagod]

aint u white

[Tyrath]

Depends, does everyone else see him as white? Then he'll probably say no