Spicy's plan for utopia

[thetruepandagod]

Not sure what part of "this is not the thread for that

Death and horror is a part of any path when it comes to struggle. Status quo or otherwise.

Which is precisely how democracy and the liberal international order got to where we are right now. The question is whether or not you have any compelling argument why another period of revolutionary upheaval would lead to progress. I've argued it would do the exact opposite.

explain why what you want isn't retarded and won't lead to death and horrors on a large scale or at the very least why it would be on par/slightly better than the current

do it fake slav

[kuronosan]

I eagerly await

[Spicyryan]

Well then, isn't this just precious?

Literal perfection doesn't exist though so the title could have used some work.

[thetruepandagod]

Well then, isn't this just precious?

Literal perfection doesn't exist though so the title could have used some work.

alternative title: "Social democrats, your team"

[Spicyryan]

alternative title: "Social democrats, your team"

Social democracy and democratic socialism are two different things. The first is capitalism economy with social intervention and the later is generally referred to as a socialist economy, but also a mixed economy or planned economy. It can be a bit open ended depending on the user. Think Yugoslavia vs the USSR.

[Fondue]

Guys, what’s the one problem right now that’s not gonna be around in 2070? The elderly and the disabled. Cuz we’re just GONNA KILL EM! …WE’RE JUST GONNA KILL EM!

[thetruepandagod]

Social democracy and democratic socialism are two different things. The first is capitalism economy with social intervention and the later is generally referred to as a socialist economy, but also a mixed economy or planned economy. It can be a bit open ended depending on the user. Think Yugoslavia vs the USSR.

cool you can explain the difference, now explain what you want differently from the current system. explain your ideal

this is the thread for it after all

[Spicyryan]

Guys, what’s the one problem right now that’s not gonna be around in 2070? The elderly and the disabled. Cuz we’re just GONNA KILL EM! …WE’RE JUST GONNA KILL EM!

Frame this as removing Florida, and you might get some support.

cool you can explain the difference, now explain what you want differently from the current system. explain your ideal

this is the thread for it after all

Whaddya want, a damn manifesto?

[thetruepandagod]

explain what you want instead of the current system in as much depth as you are capable, why you think it is better, and why you do not think it would fail.

[Salodin]

1. Ive just been skipping the shit in the Russia thread cause who would really read all that

2. Holy shit it must be horrid if panda is this mayud about it

Please continue

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[Spicyryan]

explain what you want instead of the current system in as much depth as you are capable, why you think it is better, and why you do not think it would fail.

"Invite a circle jerk from BG. The more details the better for our amusement."

Abolition of private property. Reminder, private property is not personal property.
Abolition of landlords.
A balance between worker directed enterprise and central planning.
Heavy progressive tax.
Guaranteed healthcare.
Abolition of tuition.
Abolition of inheritance.
Etc.

[thetruepandagod]

and what sort of government structure would be the ones putting forth such monumental changes. do you see any problems arising with a 100% elimination of inheritance?

please continue to craft your ideal world, im heading to work for a little

[Spicyryan]

and what sort of government structure would be the ones putting forth such monumental changes

Since there is no reforming the current system to reach this point? Idk, whatever one takes shape in transition from the revolution.

Will that ever happen? Who knows.

[thetruepandagod]

Since there is no reforming the current system to reach this point? Idk, whatever one takes shape in transition from the revolution.

Will that ever happen? Who knows.

how do you see your revolution manifesting? how much death/destruction would you be willing to accept for your new system that remains at best unproven and at worst proven to fail.

[Spicyryan]

how do you see your revolution manifesting? how much death/destruction would you be willing to accept for your new system that remains at best unproven and at worst proven to fail.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I don't think it is a coincidence that unrest has increased globally. There is a growing strain on the dominant economic system of the world. Which is unable to meet the needs of the people and the environment while inequality grows.

Europe is a poster child for this. In a system that demands exponential growth, they are struggling, and their direct solution of immigration has a poor track record of integration. It's no coincidence we are seeing a surge to the right.

[Anoat]

Man I had a fun who asked gif all lined up thinking Spicy made this thread but it turns out panda did ask

[Drai]

between this thread and the Russia thread…starting to think it might be time for another extinction level event, we had a good run boys and girls >.>

[Jaybar]

Abolition of landlords is weird. A building let alone a property is very difficult to maintain, and if you are expecting transience with renters and the like, the property would very quickly fall into disrepair.

Sounds like you really want to abolish slum lords and shitty land lords like Archie, which I'm all for.

Jk Archie.

[Spicyryan]

Abolition of landlords is weird. A building let alone a property is very difficult to maintain, and if you are expecting transience with renters and the like, the property would very quickly fall into disrepair.

Sounds like you really want to abolish slum lords and shitty land lords like Archie, which I'm all for.

Jk Archie.

This concept generally hangs people up for whatever reason. Landlords are destructive parasites. Middlemen who provide no service and exploit the communities they seek to monopolize. It is the communal theft of a necessary resource. Housing is not a commodity to be bought and sold for profit, but a right and essential benefit to a society.

[Tymon]

Abolition of landlords is a hand in hand concept with abolition of private property. Which is to say, abolition of owning your home in any form.

Probably need to figure out the right way to do it though, so that it doesn't turn into this: