Spicy's plan for utopia

[archibaldcrane]

I like what my landlord does, though. 10-20% of all units in every building is reserved for those that require housing assistance. Could be immigrants, women fleeing violence, etc. So rather than placing everyone that require assistance in the same area and causing segregation, they’re spread out. That means that the housing provided is of a good quality and maintained, in alright neighborhoods.

This sort of "inclusionary zoning" is the norm for many (most?) mid-sized and large new apartment buildings in California - 10-20% of the units are set aside for low to moderate income subsidized rents. The problem is they're illegal to build on the vast majority of residential land.

[kuronosan]

I have zero problems with non-predatory landlords. They offer a service, when they play their role properly, that's pretty valuable.

[Rhyis.]

This thread is pure comedy.

[thetruepandagod]

I don’t think completely free housing for everyone would every work. And I don’t think free housing in specific areas is the way to go either, that causes segregation which is a huge issue in a lot of countries, including Sweden.

Nightmare.

Let me translate what "community involvement" means in practice - the loudest retiree busybodies doing everything they can to make their desires to keep poor, brown, young people out of their communities by any means necessary.

Urban planning needs far less "community involvement".

realistically the only way any of this works is if we abolish the concept of money and everything becomes free, everyone is only allowed one residence, period, and to keep it fair all families of a certain size get the exact same house. This would also require a cap on the number of children a family is allowed to have so we don't run into a situation where people have a ton of kids so they can be allotted a mansion instead of a standard size house. All land would be owned by the government and the concept of ownership itself would need to be removed, else you end up with people who have inherited land trying to build illegal residences for themselves.

Exactly, and this is why this is a utopian fever dream. No single country can do this, period. It would require globalism on an unprecedented scale. Literal new world order stuff.

spicy lambasts others for voting for biden while refusing to participate in democracy because the world he alone wants isn't an option.

[thetruepandagod]

This sort of "inclusionary zoning" is the norm for many (most?) mid-sized and large new apartment buildings in California - 10-20% of the units are set aside for low to moderate income subsidized rents. The problem is they're illegal to build on the vast majority of residential land.

the new change in ADU allowance is pretty cool and there are a ton popping up now compared to previous years. it should help a little at least

[thetruepandagod]

It doesn't matter if its Air B&B or not, no landlords means no renting.

what is someone who lives in a house and rents out rooms in the same house if not a landlord? you wouldn't be able to stop this even in your own scenario of free housing as long as there were any limiters whatsoever. what happens if a family keeps growing and runs out of space in their gov't given house but there are no larger homes available in the area? are they forced to move? are they given multiple homes to the same family to fit everyone? what if they don't want to move because they like the area/friends/school etc? what happens if certain large families lose members suddenly via car accident or something? are they immediately downsized to a smaller home? would it be illegal for them to pay money to a friendly neighbor to take in some of their excess family if they are too large for their own place, don't want to move, and have no larger housing available?

[Krandor]

Believe it or not, straight to jail

[thetruepandagod]

the fabled high security free housing

[NynJa]

Tourism in his utopia is gonna be pretty shitty if theres no renting.

[Spicyryan]

Tourism in his utopia is gonna be pretty shitty if theres no renting.

Yeah, I figured we can all wear grey polyester jumpsuits too and anyone who sweats too much in the heat will just get shot.

[thetruepandagod]

where will people stay you silly billy, in hotels that wouldn't really exist unless they are government funded. in houses that people can't airbnb? do people get an rv as soon as they cross the border or fly into the airport?

[thetruepandagod]

i believe you also mentioned a want for open borders at some point in the past, how would they get their housing? would they get shipped about the country to any avail housing? are they required to get a job and pay taxes to be eligible since all the housing is tax funded?

[NynJa]

Yeah, I figured we can all wear grey polyester jumpsuits too and anyone who sweats too much in the heat will just get shot.

Salty as fuck that everyone here is poking goatse sized holes into your plan for utopia.

[Krandor]

It makes sense why spicy hates incrementalism so much when his goals are unattainable

[Tymon]

[Spicyryan]

Salty as fuck that everyone here is poking goatse sized holes into your plan for utopia.

No one is calling it utopia except you guys. It be like picking holes in Obamacare as a theory: "Well what if they have an impacted molar, but live in another zip code, and are also a dual citizen?!" Meanwhile, no one disagrees with the genre of universal healthcare. Nitpicking the details doesn't make it utopian trash. There are going to be holes in anything.

It makes sense why spicy hates incrementalism so much when his goals are unattainable

I wouldn't say that, but I know this thread was meant to be a circle jerk anyway so it doesn't matter.

[thetruepandagod]

this thread was given to you as a platform to explain why you aren't retarded for calling out 90% of posters for "fear based' status quo support(actual desire for incremental gains)

this is your containment thread to protect you from a ban tbh

because i care

[Spicyryan]

this thread was given to you as a platform to explain why you aren't retarded for calling out 90% of posters for "fear based' status quo support(actual desire for incremental gains)

this is your containment thread to protect you from a ban tbh

because i care

Well fear-based has been directed at Beans, if not entirely then the vast majority. The incrementalism is from the nonsense in the congress thread from people who believe reform lead by Dems or Dems at all will see them through. Rather than caring it symbolizes a lack of democracy to advocate for only one vote. They just say that's how it is and anyone who doesn't go along is the problem, and get fucking emotional over shit. Two different issues. If you want to ban me over that then go for it. I am not here to change how everyone thinks or undo the damage done by the liberal education system.

Half the time I am disagreeing on reality with people and not even ideology. There are several here who simply won't even take a look in the mirror, and so I can be the bad guy, fine.

[Zealot]

Open borders is actually an attainable and desirable goal for economic reasons.

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[Mrbeansman]

Spicy continues to dodge the question of how many destroyed lives is acceptable to reach his impossible ideals.

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