HorizonXI – Era+ 75 Cap FFXI Server Launching December 17th, 2022

[Salodin]

Not a surprise to me that devs who refuse to elaborate on changes would instead use the info themselves to get ahead on their own server

My biggest gripe tbh, and I'd have to be hella naive to think it ends there. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if others have found similar advantages in the crafting scene. The ingroups already have an ever increasing head start, and that on its own wouldn't bother me in a lot of vidya but in this game that translates to big economy and battlefield advantages.

Not worth the annoyance for a grindy game like this!

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[Kiarax]

Y'all have to be trolling, that group are some of the biggest gamekissers that play on every private server launch and are regularly the first group to hit 75 on them. Literally ideal candidates to have involved in communication about the state of balance in each 75 era. Do you really think BST being cracked on a fresh server where nobody has gear is actually new information or unique to this server? Bestial Loyalty is the only questionable thing they've done with BST and one I also don't agree should be a thing (especially since they've been adamant about keeping out other changes for the sake of the economy), but that change alone wouldn't have made any fucking difference to how fast those guys grinded to 75.

Criticism being deleted is a little shitty and I won't defend that, but keep in mind the same stupid comments are being spat out in every discussion in their discord server every day. Go take a peek at literally any thread about NIN in the #job_discussions section and you will see what they're actually dealing with. Multiple of the devs have responded to them multiple times but it doesn't matter, people are still just slinging constant insults and beating the dead horse. They said they're committed to all the decisions they made before launch for at least 2 months to give people a chance to actually feel things out at all level ranges and then they'll look further at where things need to be tuned. It's okay to not like that response but it doesn't mean they need to repeat it ad nauseam because a new person wants to ask the same question every 2 hours.

[Julian]

Despite not having an interest and not playing, I *did* hope that maybe things would be different for this server.

The in-game stuff seems somewhat harmless so far - some guy had an inside scoop and got the first 75, oh nooos. Doesn't seem like the end of the world. Not a great sign though and possibly a hint of things to come?

The deleting of the comment on discord... ok, sure, but banning on top of it? Y'all never heard of warning? muting? Seems like an overkill of a reaction, and I'd say is the worst offender in this whole thing lol. But ok, go ahead and kill your own community, sure.

[Salodin]

Haven't checked the discord til this recent bump, wewwww boy @_@ loads of more questionable changes with no philosophy or reasoning presented, let's just add 15seconds to both utsusemi and see how that changes the game. Oh, ninja are having trouble tanking? It's cool, not every job got the fun changes but we're gonna keep that info close to the chest lol

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[Kiarax]

Yeah people are extremely not happy with that change, since before launch the expectations that they set an announced were that they were gonna tone down the power of /NIN sub. People act like that change alone has killed NIN main tanking too but I think people just forget how shitty just having Ichi is in the first place, even with the 30 sec CD NIN got its ass beat so you always had 2 people bouncing vokes as shadows dropped and that seems to work just as well here for the most part at least. I'm sure once people are 75 with a bunch of haste gear it'll be "fine" but it's definitely a weird as fuck change I'm not sure I agree with. That said I understand the intention because /NIN was disgustingly dominant so I don't really mind seeing how it plays out for the short term. I'm just rolling DRK/WAR atm and eating shit every pull and nobody can tell me not to. God bless.

[Salodin]

My guy this is a two decade old video game where the only limitations are their imagination. They could have done anything to adjust the prevalence of shadows, instead they went for the lamest, weakest, most poorly thought out adjustment they could do.

They could have also only affected /nin timers, but main too? Theyre clearly very biased based on their era experience, and I'm not surprised in the least they did this cause it connects well with their Rdm hate; this is def another huge knock to rdm solo/tanking which they said is a goal of theirs (why that's such an important goal to them is anyone's guess). Idk why they hate ninja main tank so much, but they clearly don't want it competing with PLD or...and I mean this sincerely, WAR main tanks.

And again, this wouldn't be so bad but they keep all this info hidden and ask people to spend hundreds of hours playing and testing to figure out how, and aren't afraid to (temp) ban you for asking too many hard questions. Sucks cause I was really looking forward to this server, but the devs kinda suck lol

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[Rhyis.]

this is def another huge knock to rdm solo/tanking which they said is a goal of theirs (why that's such an important goal to them is anyone's guess)

because people like me soloed at least half of the games content in the 75 era when it was designed to be 6-18.

you didn't even have to be good at the game. just have enough patience to run in circles for 2 hours, and capable of casting bio/poison/shadows without fucking up

[Salodin]

Spending your entire evening soloing one mob that another group would kill on the way to do something else is not what I'd considered game breaking tbh. This is also solved with rage timers, spawn items, etc

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[Rhyis.]

mobs like behemoth/adamantoise/onzozo/etc already had rage timers... didn't matter

a mob can hit for 9999999999999 damage, but if it can't hit you the damage it does is irrelevant

[Salodin]

Maybe I just value my time more than others. I can't understand why people pretend like the time involved just doesn't matter

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[NynJa]

Rage timers are fucking dumb. Depop timers are based.

"Your DPS is fucking terrible, git gud"


Oh, you cant depop a world-spawn NM like Fafhogg? Fair enough:
Fafhogg: "I bore of you peasants, begone"
Faffhogg starts casting Warpga.
Entire alliance gets yeeted.

There are so many better, more creative, options.

[Salodin]

Rage timers are fucking dumb. Depop timers are based.

"Your DPS is fucking terrible, git gud"


Oh, you cant depop a world-spawn NM like Fafhogg? Fair enough:
Fafhogg: "I bore of you peasants, begone"
Faffhogg starts casting Warpga.
Entire alliance gets yeeted.

There are so many better, more creative, options.

Something something era, something something play and find out

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[Celeras]

Despite not having an interest and not playing, I *did* hope that maybe things would be different for this server.

The in-game stuff seems somewhat harmless so far - some guy had an inside scoop and got the first 75, oh nooos. Doesn't seem like the end of the world. Not a great sign though and possibly a hint of things to come?

The deleting of the comment on discord... ok, sure, but banning on top of it? Y'all never heard of warning? muting? Seems like an overkill of a reaction, and I'd say is the worst offender in this whole thing lol. But ok, go ahead and kill your own community, sure.

For what it's worth I do now see (on PC) a timer counting down from 7 days. It might have been there the whole time if that doesn't show on mobile, or it might be new. Doesn't matter either way, not like I'm going back to trying to help after seeing how they handle things.

Regarding the game server stuff, I defended their spoiler stance earlier in the thread but the changes I've seen so far ended up doing absolutely nothing for me. Even the positive balance changes (Poison buff, Thf getting triple attack at 30, etc) elicit not much more than a momentary "neat" and the nerfs obviously just feel terrible. Everything else makes me feel more like submitting a bug report. King Behemoth in Sauromugue Champaign... oh, that's on purpose? I missed with Red Lotus Blade.... oh, elemental WS's aren't a thing anymore?

I think I had exactly one moment of genuine curiosity: they added new enemies (Slimes outside Behemoth's Dominion, new Beetles in Sauro, etc) where upon attacking them I got a message along the lines of "The monster's defenses have increased!". The slimes in particular proceeded to take little damage from magic and fucked my shit up. I assume this is a weird ass retail mechanic I never experienced that they slapped on their new enemies. Know what that makes me do? Not attack their new enemies.

[Karbuncle]

Someone mentioned a new BST/SMN body armor (Level 38/39) dropping from a BCNM. As much as I'm not a fan of not knowing any of the new stuff, just because you havent found anything interesting doesnt mean its not there.

Just kinda wish there was more I could find lol. Like I wonder of Black Triple-Star got a drop finally and isnt just a useless bat in Rolanberry?

[NynJa]

Hey, fuck you buddy. Black Triple Stars IS useful for dancers and thieves and maylay bards.

[Odesseiron]

I'd be fascinated to know Kipling's response to that. As my player my experience has been extremely positive so far, but stories like that REALLY suck

The silence is deafening (I have nothing invested in this, I'm just stirring the pot and I'm just giving Kipling a hard time since I've known him and his brother for like 2 decades)

[Akiyama]

Not a fan of banning someone for saying something regarding that whole BST thing, but also, they probably got constantly hit with the same sort of shit that's not hard to figure out so they went on a no tolerance policy. That's my guess. Regardless, the guy wo did it, like Kia said, was part of the group who did a lot of firsts on the server already so it wasn't really hard to follow what he did and go with it.

Either way, ya'll have valid complaints. New stuff isn't as appealing, nerfs are heavy, etc. It is what it is. Good thing this shit's free, and no one's telling you to spend hours playing it lol

and if anyone joins a private server with the thought in mind to be able to 'play forever' -- nothing's forever. Shit always explodes. This is FFXI, shit especially explodes. Just enjoy the game for what it is, and if you don't like it, you can always do what Salo says, and go play retail. That, or you can hang around, see what stuff gets fixed/adjusted and go from there.

If this was a 'pay/donate to play' situation, I'd be seething too, but it's not that serious. Also never force yoursefl to play something, esp in the year 2023. We got plenty of other stuff we can do w/ our time if something else isn't fun enough!\

also one other thing regarding the whole spoilers thing

holy shit are people spoiled (pun intended). i'm sorta glad they have such a hard stance on it, cuz it's neat to discover shit w/o having to resort to looking through .dats, or an old wiki, or whatever. the gaming world, movie world, etc are ruled by shit getting spoiled before it's ever out. now could they have handled the management of certain things diff? like having a channel for it on the discord at launch if people DID wanna talk about it? sure, but it's not the end of the world, lol. that's just my opinion on it.

i miss the days where when a movie's been out for like.. one day, the entire plot synopsis isn't already out there.

The silence is deafening (I have nothing invested in this, I'm just stirring the pot and I'm just giving Kipling a hard time since I've known him and his brother for like 2 decades)

lmao.

but also to be fair, this thread was inactive for a good bit until just today, so not surprised they haven't even noticed the activity considering they're probably busy dealing with server shit + actually playing the video game.

[Kipling]

For what it's worth I do now see (on PC) a timer counting down from 7 days. It might have been there the whole time if that doesn't show on mobile, or it might be new. Doesn't matter either way, not like I'm going back to trying to help after seeing how they handle things.

Regarding the game server stuff, I defended their spoiler stance earlier in the thread but the changes I've seen so far ended up doing absolutely nothing for me. Even the positive balance changes (Poison buff, Thf getting triple attack at 30, etc) elicit not much more than a momentary "neat" and the nerfs obviously just feel terrible. Everything else makes me feel more like submitting a bug report. King Behemoth in Sauromugue Champaign... oh, that's on purpose? I missed with Red Lotus Blade.... oh, elemental WS's aren't a thing anymore?

I think I had exactly one moment of genuine curiosity: they added new enemies (Slimes outside Behemoth's Dominion, new Beetles in Sauro, etc) where upon attacking them I got a message along the lines of "The monster's defenses have increased!". The slimes in particular proceeded to take little damage from magic and fucked my shit up. I assume this is a weird ass retail mechanic I never experienced that they slapped on their new enemies. Know what that makes me do? Not attack their new enemies.

You were timed out for directly calling out another user with personal attacks. Discord rules say no drama, you agreed to them when you joined. I time out everyone who does that, staff or not. I timed out another guy shortly before you for name calling. Nothing personal bud. The only time I don't do it when I see it is when someone does it to me.

But yes it is very disingenuous to say you were banned to try to skew the narrative. Again, discord rules, it's easy.

Edit: I undid your timeout after the above explanation

[Celeras]

???? Um, please feel free to share with everyone the "personal attack"? Are we talking mistaken identity now? I feel like I shared my exact post verbatim and there is definitely none of that in there. C'mon now.

And yes, it looks like I can post again.

[Rhyis.]

Maybe I just value my time more than others. I can't understand why people pretend like the time involved just doesn't matter

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Because you saved a gazillion hours by not having to split any loot with 18+ other people

Instead of killing something 30 times to get an item, you killed it twice.

I can’t imagine trying to collect all the ix’aern capes back in the day having to roll against 10 other mages. I just got them all myself, literally the month sea came out, rolling against me myself & i