HorizonXI – Era+ 75 Cap FFXI Server Launching December 17th, 2022

[Syrio]

You seem to think they have the actual code of the game, they aren't reinventing the wheel. They don't have all the code to accurately mirror the 75 era, not even SE themselves has the code which is why they never even considered private servers. They are backwards engineering it all and filling in the gaps with guess work. It will never play like you remember and will be a buggy mess always.

Not sure if you're referring to my post, but I didn't say anything about being accurate in relation to retail. It just needs to work in the private server world, which right now it doesn't. Wings nor Era had the weird combat mechanics Horizon has with tissue paper mob defense, overpowered offense, mobs forgetting how to perform their moves and function overall like automatons and it's just odd. Eden and Nasomi were buggy, but in a different way. More quest/npc. Combat, crafts, jobs and overall balance being broken is very overt.

[Spicyryan]

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[Draylo]

Not sure if you're referring to my post, but I didn't say anything about being accurate in relation to retail. It just needs to work in the private server world, which right now it doesn't. Wings nor Era had the weird combat mechanics Horizon has with tissue paper mob defense, overpowered offense, mobs forgetting how to perform their moves and function overall like automatons and it's just odd. Eden and Nasomi were buggy, but in a different way. More quest/npc. Combat, crafts, jobs and overall balance being broken is very overt.

Yea thats my point, its all buggy. Literally every private server is filled with bugs because they don't have the original code, its all guess work. I saw the same thing on Horizon and the avatars don't aggro magic from their correct radius or mobs have lower stats than intended. Its all bugged and pieced together with tape. Thats why its always better to play on retail, you have the real devs there fixing things and the content is as intended for the most part. People love to hate on the dev team but they really make it a point to iron out most bugs to create a stable environment for play.

[Syrio]

Nope. Not to the degree Horizon is. Not even close.

I actually now think that they slanted certain things on purpose to give themselves an early advantage over the crowds. There's a discord group that has a bunch of stuff on how the admins manipulate NMs like VE

[Tyrath]

I actually now think that they slanted certain things on purpose to give themselves an early advantage over the crowds. There's a discord group that has a bunch of stuff on how the admins manipulate NMs like VE

Y'all out here acting like people don't spin these up so they can make money and do whatever the fuck they want.

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[Karbuncle]

Aside from the making money part. Not sure where anyone gets the idea that they're making a profit off this when theres literally no way to pay them, donations, or anything at all.

[Tyrath]

It was the second part I was really trying to highlight.

[Karbuncle]

Oh I know I was really more directed to the original you were quoting lol.

[Spicyryan]

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[Madeline]

It's really easy to admin command gil/items on a smurf account and sell them on playerauctions once you have an established economy.

RMT absolutely love these servers. I'm sure the admins do too. And that's excluding the other shit people have said like funding from streamers, behind the scene transactions, blah blah.

But if you think anyone has people hired on working for them and are funding the cost for the electricity of something running 24/7 without any sort of return, prob not.

[Spicyryan]

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[Shenrien]

Probably, and its just gonna take someone feeling like they're not getting a big enough piece of the pie to out them all. Always happens with every private server community.

[Syrio]

That's the thing. Running a PS this populated isn't cheap. If they are losing money month after month without secretly selling gil or anything. Then they have a source of funding keeping it going. It's actually a pretty important subject that should have some base level of transparency on.
Shit, I can get a better answer on how BG/the wiki or other private servers are doing with their funding than we will ever willingly know about Horizon. I privately bring up the BG one every now and again just to know things are alright, and they are. Even then that's easier to understand because it has ads, etc. It's still not cheap to run on a whim or something.

I dont think they should divulge their funding and they SHOULD be making money quietly if so possible. Players just care about the end result and right now the end result is shoddy. Fix the issues, make the server balanced and playable and rake it in hand over fist.

[Kaisha]

Players just care about the end result

Not if it means the server may potentially poof in a few months.

[threevo]

So my experience has been mostly positive after playing since release. My goal wasnt to hardcore it and no life but ive spent a bit of time playing jobs I never got to in retail. I have a bunch of jobs 30+ 3 jobs 60+ but nothing at cap yet. No sky working my way through CoP just doing stuff here and there. The job balances are a WIP, I dont like how shit getting ninja to 37 was. It was nice once u get Ni tho so whatever. I get the idea behind it, but its still the meta for subjobs due to damage mitigation. Tanks cant hold hate off DPS 55+ without a THF and its even sketchy with one.

The era experience is in full effect as there are a ton of toxic assholes roaming around. Learning who to avoid is a necessity. The HNM change to spawns had unintended consequences I think. You cannot play in that game unless your LS has 100+ members and you bring 12 PLD/NIN and 12 RDM/NIN to every camp (ironic with the goal to have less reliance on NIN sub right?). The only good thing is that the windows are only 1 hour long instead of 3. I get that may be an exaggeration, but they can spawn in one of like 20? different locations between 4 zones so good luck finding it unless you have a ton of people scattered everywhere who can also hold it long enough while your alliance gathers. I think at this point theres only 2 LSs who participate in ground kings. I would def like to see this revamped a bit, but honestly dont have any suggestions. Maybe make the enrage timer 15 mins? That would force people not to claim and hold instantly on pop. It would be a race to see who could get their group gathered faster or something i dont know. The current system is just who can bring the biggest number of people to camps. I absolutely do not want there to be a force pop system either so who knows this is probably the toughest balance decision they need to make.

I think they are doing a good enough job banning people who are clearly RMT or botting, but you will never eliminate it completely in a game like this. The population is the biggest bonus there is stuff to do all the time. a 10 gap for level sync really helps you avoid shit tiers where you are between camps. How long it lasts who knows but its been good. I never leveled in this game with level sync on retail and its pretty nice you can customize a party based around a certain level sync to optimize camps longer or skip certain tough level ranges.

Some people in this thread and the HXI discord just cant be pleased, but i think a vast majority of the userbase is content with a almost everything. It will never be perfect. Yea you want you job to be the best and have no changes but we will see friday some major changes with patch 1.1.

[Spicyryan]

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[Salodin]

The job balances are a WIP, I dont like how shit getting ninja to 37 was. It was nice once u get Ni tho so whatever. I get the idea behind it, but its still the meta for subjobs due to damage mitigation. Tanks cant hold hate off DPS 55+ without a THF and its even sketchy with one.

The era experience is in full effect as there are a ton of toxic assholes roaming around. Learning who to avoid is a necessity. The HNM change to spawns had unintended consequences I think. You cannot play in that game unless your LS has 100+ members and you bring 12 PLD/NIN and 12 RDM/NIN to every camp (ironic with the goal to have less reliance on NIN sub right?)

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Some people in this thread and the HXI discord just cant be pleased, but i think a vast majority of the userbase is content with a almost everything. It will never be perfect. Yea you want you job to be the best and have no changes but we will see friday some major changes with patch 1.1.

Poorly thought out and implemented job and balance changes is exactly why I stopped playing. This doesn't sound fun at all. Yes, there are plenty of other things to keep you busy in-between, and those are fun and enjoyable, but eventually you reach the place where these unreasoned changes become a wall to your gameplay and enjoyment. HNMs turning into a multi zone event does not sound appealing or well thought out, you concede ninja as a job and sub just suck, any so many ideas where the stated reasoning is "we want to relieve the reliance on certain meta and subjobs cause they're broken" get implemented in a way that just exasperates the problem; red mage and ninja come to mind.

It's not balance changes, it's "we dislike certain meta and are changing it" (for the worse)

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[Spicyryan]

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[threevo]

Poorly thought out and implemented job and balance changes is exactly why I stopped playing. This doesn't sound fun at all. Yes, there are plenty of other things to keep you busy in-between, and those are fun and enjoyable, but eventually you reach the place where these unreasoned changes become a wall to your gameplay and enjoyment. HNMs turning into a multi zone event does not sound appealing or well thought out, you concede ninja as a job and sub just suck, any so many ideas where the stated reasoning is "we want to relieve the reliance on certain meta and subjobs cause they're broken" get implemented in a way that just exasperates the problem; red mage and ninja come to mind.

It's not balance changes, it's "we dislike certain meta and are changing it" (for the worse)

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Sure everyone has their own opinion. Im enjoying myself and when that stops I will find something else to do. I havent played FFXI since 2007 so I dont have anything but that to compare it to. I will see what the 1.1 changes bring. I have a core group of friends we do BC/ENMs with and other stuff and we have fun dicking around on voice and being casuals

[Salodin]

Any interest in other PSs?

Can't be bothered tbh, even with as much as I want to and as hard as I tried, especially with a baby otw. Diablo looks nice tho!

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