Horizon Dramaticus Personafication

[Ksandra]

You're replying to a post in a thread called "Horizon Dramaticus Personafication", it's a drama thread.

Also I fully understand human nature, as long as he supplies the product you like you will defend or stay silent on anything they do that is bad. As long as it does not impact the product you want or you in particular, it's k. He could flay and eat kittens alive and you would still login and skillup guard tomorrow, because that's how it is.

However, what these posts are doing is cataloguing all the shady shit he and they are doing, ready for the day when he fucks you and others over. Just as they banned someone you would think they would not ban (setsuko, a large endgame ls leader), they will one day possibly ban or take a dump on you from orbit if you annoy one of their VIP donors, and that's just the way it is on a private server run by "some dude".

Private servers are corrupt by nature due to the kinds of people who run and are invested in them, all the power, all the free money with no checks in place, all the adoration and defenders, all the backstabbing and all the frustrations lead to bad things over time. The people who run them are often damaged people with a laundry list of personality flaws, and ultimately it's just a matter of time till they fuck everyone over.

Imagine 15 years ago during kings and how invested we all were if you could "donate" $5k to SE GMs, that would of been a big deal right? Square Enix are a billion dollar corporation though and they would not take your pissy little $5k to ingratiate yourself with them, a private server owner will though. There won't even be any agreement, there will just be that $5k and him liking you a little bit more than the other guy you have a problem with.

One day you will be fucked over, and on that day all this bounty in the thread will be here for you.

Many people on the outside think Aerec is not a good person and that's a problem because he is effectively the god of your server and all the thousands of hours you're putting into it. There are numerous bad things going on behind the scenes, he has a lot of flaws and he is a gigantic narcissist. It's like having a psycho partner and everyone telling you how bad they are and how crazy they are, and that you should leave them! but they do that thing you like and so you ignore everyone. Then one day you wake up with them staring at you, a knife in their hand and your pp has been removed.

Some people just gotta learn the hard way.

Just as Spicyryan will one day will get removed from catseye for being true to his nature, and on that day he will devote his life to leaking everything he saved up in the time prior on the server and carver, hating everyone playing on it and trying to get it shut down.

That’s ok, I still gotta finish Baldur’s Gate.

I dunno how we went from some people spend a lot of money on an old game to cutting dicks off, but you do you.

[Kipling]

I feel like people were a lot more normal when I played World of Warcraft.

[Gredival]

This is all true. In my experience running the discord/socials, most of the horizon player base are adults with professional careers who would happily pay top dollar for an official classic server, but SE does not offer the product they want to buy. It being free is just a bonus, not the driving factor. Pulling numbers out of my ass, but I would say 2/3 of the players I have talked to would not play retail if PS did not exist - it’s not the experience they’re looking for.

While my example was extreme, I don't think I'm alone saying I would pay more today for an official classic than I used to pay twelve years ago. Would it ever be as profitable as retail? No but it wouldn't cost much to make it run, and it wouldn't compete for the same players.

SE just doesn't want a classic server.

[Gweivyth]

Nice concern trolling Gwei. The reality though is that you're no better than him at taking advantage of people while running a private server. Wings was a total disaster under your watch, all your users learned to dislike you, you desperately wanted to make money from a FFXI private server instead of getting a real job (lolpatreon) and and all your staff abandoned you.

The only real difference between you both is that you're completely incompetent, at least Aerec knows what he is doing and knows how to manipulate people.

btw I don't hate you either.

Not to be captain obvious or anything but if I didn't have a real job, how did Wings even manage to get to the point of needing a Patreon to begin with? I didn't just manifest thousands of dollars out of thin air.

I'm fine with you thinking I'm incompetent because you haven't done a lot here to prove that you aren't either, lets be honest. At least I don't defeat my own arguments while I'm still in the middle of making them.

[Gweivyth]

that's simply not worth SE's time for the additional hardware, retrofitting code for authenticity's sake, advertising (lol), and a likely need for additional GMs to babysit the people who refuse to graduate from digital high school.

You know what would be even funnier? If they just set up a VPS on one of the XIV servers, loaded up LandSandBoat, toggled settings to RoZ/CoP only, and said "We have no GMs or devs, pay us $12 a month."

God, I hope they do it. That would be so funny.

[rate]

SE can't make a classic server since they don't have accurate information for it, and also because most people really do not want it when they have a choice between normal servers and leveling in dunes and waiting hours for an invite. Horizon isn't an accurate 75 experience at all, almost all the data is captured from modern retail and that's why Aerec and Kipling login to it so often. The only reason ppl put up with horizon is because it's free and it's all they can get, if this was a retail classic experience everyone would say it's shit and wildly inaccurate.

The problem with many of these people trying to relive their teenage years by leveling in dunes again in parties is that they don't really want what they think they want, they just tell themselves they want it. I dare Horizon to add trusts and prove me wrong that most of their users prefer leveling in groups, surely nobody will chose to use them right? We all know exactly what will happen, which is why they will never add them.

The majority of people on Horizon are there because it's free or because they are reliving their teenage years and quickly got tired of it, and not because of any ideals of how the game used to be. The vocal minority of fake sweaties that tell themselves they are there for the ideals of how the game used to be, are not even playing the game how it used to be at all anyway. They are playing on a much easier version of how the game used to be and reveling in the group larp.

If you have a job at all, and even worse if you class yourself as a professional and are playing XI endgame on Horizon it's not an accurate experience in any way at all and if you do that and have lots of gear in such a short amount of time it's even more of a joke teddy bear version of the what the game used to be. Most of the endgame players on horizon probably could not even hack it on current retail, let alone how xi used to be back in the day.

You're not playing an accurate version of what XI used to be, you're playing a rose tinted glasses version of the game that they made for you to pretend you're hardcore andies again like you used to be when you were 15.

[Spicyryan]

The only real difference between you both is that you're completely incompetent, at least Aerec knows what he is doing and knows how to manipulate people.

Lol, wut? Is this supposed to be a compliment?

[Gweivyth]

Don't think about it too much, you'll end up with whiplash trying to follow along with all of his contradictions. He's too busy boxing with multiple boogeymen to realize he keeps tripping over his own arguments. Let's not help him, let's just enjoy the show.

[Spicyryan]

Don't think about it too much, you'll end up with whiplash trying to follow along with all of his contradictions. He's too busy boxing with multiple boogeymen to realize he keeps tripping over his own arguments. Let's not help him, let's just enjoy the show.

Typical left-end XI Dunning-Kruger analysis. See, we were playing classic all along.

[rate]

I'm not gonna say anything else bad about you Gwei, stop rushing to defend people who don't like you anyway.

[Gweivyth]

Typical left-end XI Dunning-Kruger analysis. See, we were playing classic all along.

I'm way too incompetent to know what any of those words mean.

[rate]

I feel like people were a lot more normal when I played World of Warcraft.

If you ran a wow private server. Then you could setup your own Cosby suite, just like the real thing.

[Gweivyth]

I'm not gonna say anything else bad about you Gwei, stop rushing to defend people who don't like you anyway.

That's the difference between me and you, bud. I don't give a damn if people like me, I care about the truth. People can (and have) made all sorts of wild claims about both Aerec and Horizon, and even though I hate that guy, I'm able to get over my biases because I'm not a knuckledragging simpleton. If people are going to make stuff up, I will correct them. Bullying sucks even if it's towards people I don't like.

Maybe that'll help me get a real job some day.

[Spicyryan]

I'm way too incompetent to know what any of those words mean.

Squiggly line that shows cognitive bias where the left starts at overconfidence and ignorance before eventually learning better.

I'm not gonna say anything else bad about you Gwei, stop rushing to defend people who don't like you anyway.

Not my fault that Gwei is a big softy. I don't like it either, actually.

[Gweivyth]

Weird, right? People who actually get to know me tend to realize that I'm actually a pushover when word on the street is I'm an arrogant dictator!

Anyway those words are all too big for me, I'll have to ask Jeeves to explain them to me.

[Kipling]

The anonymous sock accounts are very mouthy last couple weeks

[Spicyryan]

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[Madeline]

I'm still trying to find on the tin where any of these servers except maybe Nasomi, which for all intents and purposes is already dead in the water, claimed they were accurately recreating this ideal situation of grinding Tiamat camps for 12 hours and waking up at 3:30 when your friend calls you because you lost Nidhogg but they might wipe.

And what having a job has to do with any of that. I'm pretty sure this exists exactly because that experience isn't reasonable to people with jobs..

[Warudo Ecksu]

I've never been threatened irl until I warned people about Horizon's shadiness. I've also never been gaslit by anyone as much as I have been by Spicyryan. Imagine telling a person who is receiving threats that they are not being threatened lmao

[rate]

The anonymous sock accounts are very mouthy last couple weeks

You fully aligned yourself with someone else's ego project, effectively turned yourself into the figurehead for that private server cause you're so thirsty for attention. For a very questionable private server vs a company with a large fanbase, with the guy in charge probably committing tax fraud and who knows what else.

You spend all your time posting on the discord as a moderator and all around the internet, like the thirsty for attention hoe you are.

You then appear in videos to solidify your kipling persona with you irl, and effectively all the stupid shit you have said for years online.

You tell everyone you're a professional with a high paying job (probably in minecraft tbh, you're all fuckin larpers).

You then go around like a 13 year old with a perma boner in the game, and sexually harass multiple women on this server that you are in a position of power over them on, then bully them off the server along with your friends when they complain about it, then bully and stalk them on the internet to the point you make them go even more crazy.

You then nuke your discord account that you love, cause you have been saying wildly inappropriate things on it.

What was your point again?