Two Term Celebrity Politician - JD Vance Missing Persons Coldcase

[Mertron]

I feel super bad for him. He's very much on the spectrum. This is probably a very stressful thing for him.

shut up, we’ve got jodie fosters to impress

[Infini]

I’d prefer the coming years to be mild to nothing and for Trump to ineptly limp dick his way through it, but I know they spent a long time making sure they had full control and I’m certain they’re going to use it. So right now, my only comfort is all those stupid fucking rednecks are going to be in for a wake up call when their SS, food stamps, and unemployment benefits get butchered and they’re sitting there holding their dicks wondering why the Mexicans are still here.

Bonus points to any factory worker who voted for him losing their job to overseas when they repeal chips.

So no, I don’t really want it all to burn, but if it’s going too, I’m going to laugh in the face of every Trump supporter the whole way down as they slowly realize they voted in a maniac who’s going to make their lives much much worse.

Honestly they likely might back off CHIPS if someone in the tech sector turns around and tells Trump it's meant to steal jobs from the Chinese (yes it's really to get manufacturing diversified and localised from Taiwan incase the Chinese ever go full retard on them but China is Trumps trigger word). Gutting Goverment and fucking things up royally on other shit, yeah that's par for the course with Regressives. Least the Leopards are gonna feast good the next few years!

[kisada]

I will say, if the next 4 years are, against all odds, typical neocon status quo, you are NEVER going to be able to use the "this is an existential threat to democracy!!! guys seriously this time!!!" angle again. It already resoundingly failed, but you think it was bad this time? Just wait.

you mean the high-minded, biden pitch from 2020 to "save democracy" ? cause i for sure agree. i just hope dems would be able to figure out in time how to unify a message that will resonate with voters, but looking at the responses across the liberal spectrum of the past few days, i don't think dems will.


think it was mentioned yesterday i agree that the appeal to fight back against facism was never gonna land, partly because it's too lofty of a concept for the average person. and the other thing is that people, in general, have a very hard time to build the self-awareness to start seeing how they may make decisions for the greater good. that takes time, a trained, inward gaze, and a LOT of fucking work to connect that perspective to behavioral changes (i.e. action). so shit like voting to prevent facism, saving democracy, whatever the case, make sense to guys who've A. been around for a while and have kinda figured things out/gotten over themselves enough to see that other beyond themselves matter, and B. have the information to see the consequences. but for the rest? that shit will never override their day to day pain points.

when trump won in 2016 i lost my fucking mind and i was talking to my dad (who voted trump, btw) about how i wanted to move to canada. and he's going on about how much better america is than what he had and it made all kinds of sense, because he was someone who fought against pol pot, lost most everything to the genocide in cambodia, literally came to america with 2 bucks, no english, and built an actual life here that wasn't rife with the brutality and war he'd known back home. and so to someone (or anyone) like him who's been in really difficult life conditions prior to coming here, the american alternative is like a gift they won't say no to, and see as much better - despite the obvious consequences of what we see (and insanely obvious irony of what a dictator can do when given power, i mean like COME ON, right?).

and because their circumstances have changed dramatically in america, the focus on survival in the day to day has now also changed permanently. money in pocket is king, because that means food on the table, because that means survival - the last being a purely human response that's been hyper-elevated given what happened to them prior. my mom is one of those people who will start an enormous argument with me over saving like 2 bucks, despite having all she needs and a good bit of money, and lecture me for an hour straight. and it took me a LONG time to figure out why until i worked to see more clearly what happened in her (and my dad's) past. wanna meet a hoarder who fights tooth and nail to save every little scrap of everything just in case they need it? go find a cambodian immigrant. or someone else who's come here after running for their lives. fwiw, ironically, my dad is someone who's always spent and enjoyed his money, and i attribute this in part to a battle he had parachuting into the jungle with his platoon, getting immediately fired upon, and surviving that with experience only one other guy. so yeah, imagine the human survival response to that, and the effect of trauma in the years to come - namely living your life cause you might die tomorrow, and making sure your kin have the means to survive.

and so despite trump being a fucking piece of raging dogshit who lies about everything, when he talks about economy over and over and over, and that's the most salient thing in your mind as someone who has pain points that are specifically in relation to survival, messages that cater to that are going to land more than anything else. people worried about survival in that aspect will be far less impacted by messaging on abortion, democracy, facism, gay rights, etc. and it's because everybody fucking eats, right? and guess who has the most to worry about in that regard in america, right as of this moment? the working class.

so yeah i don't think it will work, and maybe it really didn't even the first time around, and it was trump's base being depressed by his war on mail-in ballots + covid. i think if dems are smart, though, they will come to realize that they need to unify their message the way they used to, which is to make a far stronger and far simpler appeal to the working class. but i don't see it happening for a million reasons and i'm extremely pessimistic, unfortunately.

[Krandor]

If they keep trying the "save democracy" pitch for whoever replaces Trump it's gonna fall really flat after he won the popular vote. They definitely need to find a new slant

[Meresgi]

Yeah the "fight facism" and "save democracy" didn't land at all because people were just like "Well he wasn't that bad in 2016 and things were cheaper!" and that was that. Like others have said, it doesn't matter that the economy actually IS doing better, people were paying more for gas and groceries. We saw this shit start up 3yrs ago and government just let the corps swing their dicks around and hike prices up left and right and this is the fallout over that part of it. Now people are blaming minorities and saying Kamala didn't tack hard enough to the right or wasn't centrist enough, fuck outta here with that. Like every dem election, they put a shit ton of hope on women and minorities to carry them through, and yet like last time white women voted for Trump over the woman prez and most minorities voted for Trump because "i'm not one of the bad ones".

I'd be super surprised of the DNC actually learned any lesson from this, they'll probably run Newsom next time or some other crazy shit

[Yabby]

I'd be super surprised of the DNC actually learned any lesson from this, they'll probably run Newsom next time or some other crazy shit

Based on Reddit, conversations here, and the left-leaning people I know, it doesn’t seem like anything’s changed. The same talking points from 2016 are still getting tossed around. I even saw a Reddit post that began with, “The Dems didn’t fail the working man; the working man failed the Dems.” It’s like, come on… have we learned nothing?

[Athas]

I see it as there still being some truth to it.

Can keep saying Trump is a threat message didn't resonate but like, it isn't not true. People insisting 2016 'wasn't bad' are, ya know, wrong.

Surely at some point failing to learn to stove is hot stops being solely the teacher's fault?

[6souls]

https://x.com/johnhinckley20/status/...008957849?s=46

From a Florida Cuban, former NYC, I haven't cutoff on FB

[Tymon]

Also kind of important to realize that the typical political conversation has dramatically shifted in the worst and most anti-intellectual way possible and is no long really amicable to debate.

This kind of debate no longer exists:

D: <policy/opinion A>
R: <policy/opinion B>
*debate*

Now its:

D: <policy/opinion A>
R: "Lol you fucking f*****"
D: Uh ok how about <policy/opinion B>
R: "No one cares ni-"
*moderator does nothing, crowd goes wild, 250k likes on Twitter, another swing state just flipped red*

etc

[Cail]

https://x.com/john_hudson/status/185...gIRK2bOMcBVXxg
https://x.com/john_hudson/status/185...gIRK2bOMcBVXxg

[Yabby]

Nope. Apparently, being right is more important than being elected.

Being Progressive, 101.

[6souls]

https://x.com/highbrow_nobrow/status...66300420063322

[Yabby]

If only these media outlets had focused on presenting the truth, rather than normalizing Trump over the past eight years.

[Salodin]

I mean this sincerely fuck you and the people asking for this.

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You can whine and moan all you want, but you're going to do it too. When a person you know voted for this cries that the leopard is eating them, you're going to say "I told you so" and be real smug about it. I won't blame you either.

Yeah except he's wrong though. It's a privileged ass take.

What's the privilege? I suffer under these same laws. But I'm not gonna spend 4 years crying about it. I'm gonna spend 4 years sipping my straight black coffee going "this is what you asked for". Why should I cry while I do it when I can choose to buck up and prepare myself as best I can...by buying up Bustelo before the tariffs hit.

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[Krandor]

The fact that you can say that and not see the irony after being told it's a privileged take is impressive, ngl

[kisada]

Nope. Apparently, being right is more important than being elected.

literally in more than one way, right? amount of dismissiveness and blame redirected to everyone under the umbrella, while at the same time ignoring blatant flaws within the party that have been ongoing for years, is insane.

to nobody's surprise, biden-world was taking shots at kamala for failing the mission. meanwhile, anyone with a 10th of a brain cell could see just how much damage biden and his hubris caused by staying on as long as he did. imagine the arrogance this guy had to do this, and imagine what he's thinking now as he pretty much set the stage for the world to be fucked over permanently. oh and goodbye to all your achievements, yet still, yeah get out there and let be known what you thought of kamala's impact while ignoring your own contributions.

meanwhile, you have liberals saying kamala was too far on the left, people bashing bernie's stance (despite him being far more dialed in to the needs of the working class), and them thinking "well maybe we ought to tack more to the right!!!" like holy christ, it didn't work in 2016, it barely worked in 2020, and it certainly didn't work this past week.

and because of the lack of cohesiveness within the party, i just don't see how it ever gets its shit together to the point that it can overtake republicans the next time around.

[Salodin]

I’ve taken on the role of the positive one at home, and while I don’t mind, it’s tough not being able to talk about what happened without upsetting my wife. Even though we’re doing well in life and, for the most part, this won’t impact us directly, she’s been down the past few days, seeing everything in a negative light. I’m just exhausted from constantly putting on a brave face for her. The other day, I went for a long walk—almost three hours—just to clear my head. Since she works from home, I don’t get much alone time in the house, which makes it hard to fully unwind.




When Trump won last time, I told my wife that I almost wanted them to go all in—to fully reveal how their policies actually impact people. Usually, Democrats prevent the worst of it, but I thought that maybe, if given an unchecked four years, people might truly see the effects. Oklahoma is one of the reddest states, with not a single blue county, and most of my family lives there. I know for a fact that around 95% of them rely on some form of federal assistance and have for most of their lives. A part of me wanted to see that support removed, just to reveal the reality that they’ve often criticized in others.

These are just passing thoughts—I don’t actually want them to happen. I just can’t help but feel that something like this might finally open their eyes. Unfortunately, the pessimist in me says they’d likely still blame Democrats for any loss of support, which would only continue to harm those already struggling.

I feel you man. I don't want harm to come to people, especially family or Latin Americans (my people!), but it's clear that they are perfectly fine with harm coming to others if it makes their own lives even slightly easier. As we've already linked to before; "they're going after the bad ones, not me! I'm one of the good ones!"

The fact that you can say that and not see the irony after being told it's a privileged take is impressive, ngl

Yes, not being qualified to be deported sure is a privilege in America 2025. You could always be more specific, but you won't. That's the privilege of posting on BG

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[Outlaw]

https://x.com/highbrow_nobrow/status...66300420063322

I have my doubts.

He's too brown.

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[Tyrath]

The fact that you can say that and not see the irony after being told it's a privileged take is impressive, ngl

It's kinda wild tbh

[Mrbeansman]

You can whine and moan all you want, but you're going to do it too. When a person you know voted for this cries that the leopard is eating them, you're going to say "I told you so" and be real smug about it. I won't blame you either.What's the privilege?

Bitch please you all know me by this point no one gonna say "I told you so" louder than me. I take issue with people like you cheering on putting the pedal to the metal and torching everything rather than refusing to go quietly into that good night.

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