Two Term Celebrity Politician - JD Vance Missing Persons Coldcase

[Tyche]

What she going to work on? She gonna sprinkle some magic Mike Johnson dust on it?

[Tyche]

We're gonna go in circles here Archi.

[Tyche]

Standing up for trans rights in a VERY public manner is going to do more than drafting a bill that gets ignored in committee. I've seen this show before. It's been a rerun for the past 20 years. Passing laws is out, social media is in.

It is cute you thought she was gonna work on a bill that would get passed though.

[kisada]

damn, yo

for real if dems losing the white house didn't convince all of us in here that non-confrontational messaging strategies are losing ones, then i honestly don't think there's hope for the democratic party to change.

[Cantih]

Bluesky is going to end up just as bad as more people move to it.

Naw, because blocking in bluesky is nuclear, it kills engagement.

Blocked accounts cannot reply in your threads, mention you, or otherwise interact with you. You will not see their content and they will be prevented from seeing yours.

You can also remove quoted skeets from other people, so if someone trys to pull you as a target, you just take your ball and leave.

And then you block their entire following.

[Sirious]

damn, yo

for real if dems losing the white house didn't convince all of us in here that non-confrontational messaging strategies are losing ones, then i honestly don't think there's hope for the democratic party to change.

Identity politics is the losing battle, pretty soundly too

Fix people's perception of the economy and ride that win into who pees where.

[Cyn]

damn, yo

for real if dems losing the white house didn't convince all of us in here that non-confrontational messaging strategies are losing ones, then i honestly don't think there's hope for the democratic party to change.

What the fuck are you talking about? Attacking Trump and MAGA was the entire Dem strategy.

[Roranora]

wait, eggs are only $5 for yall? we like $7-$9 here

[kisada]

btw i got a question for anyone who's done any type of organizing in local politics, or anything related

what's the best bet if i want to get involved in something nearby? does it all begin with being a canvasser and then networking and making some kind of impact and just learn and figure out more stuff to do along the way?

not trying to take my first steps towards being a mayor or congressman or anything like that, but maybe get out there and be of use in some way

[archibaldcrane]

wait, eggs are only $5 for yall? we like $7-$9 here

what

where?

here in SoCal the cheapest eggs are $4/dozen max, usually $3.

[Cyn]

The best first step would probably be just joining community groups online and your city and state Reddit subs and keeping your eyes and ears open for opportunities. Going to public city council meetings would also be a great way to network locally.

[Tyche]

It's $4 a dozen in Kentucky, where everyone and their mom has backyard chickens. Doesn't surprise me other HCOL areas would be $7.

[Obsidian]

I'm sure all 3 trans people in her district are super disappointed she chose not to get crucified over not arguing about the inability to pee in the women's bathroom.

Do you guys even see what you're saying.

The problem is they're going to crucify her regardless. Caving now doesn't buy her leeway later.

[Ksandra]

$4 for a dozen eggs at Ralph’s here. Costco is $3 but it’s the 5 dozen pack. And I’m not San Fransisco HCOL, but still pretty bad.


With that being said, CA is skewed about produce as most stuff is local reducing shipping costs.

[kisada]

The best first step would probably be just joining community groups online and your city and state Reddit subs and keeping your eyes and ears open for opportunities. Going to public city council meetings would also be a great way to network locally.

yeah gotcha. i'm curious what's out here in LA in terms of progressive organizing so i'll have to do some digging. i do wonder what i might even be asked to do, but only one way to find out.


also, i'll amend what i said about messaging because i think of course there's more to it than just the one thing. when i said non-confrontational i'm really more meaning many things, really, in responses that are lacking overall. they end up ceding ground because those responses are either not strong enough, not pointed in the right direction, or not sustained. basically i think dems way too often tend to either fight back with little resistance, or fight back with the wrong kind of resistance.

i think the first speaks for itself. chuck schumer basically getting out of the way with judicial appointments today is an example. biden grinning from ear to ear a couple days ago sitting with trump is more symbolic than anything but still, i mean, come on. i'm of the strong opinion that mcbride needs to be doing and saying more given that she is public-facing and as an elected official, particularly in the moment we are now, this is where she's needed to do more than she feels comfortable with. you disagree and i can see your perspective why, but at the same time i'll still say that it's a prototypical of the soft responses that i truly no longer wish to see from the democratic party in any form.

in regards to the latter, when they do fight back, they do it in a way that doesn't pin the tail on the donkey. like, i strongly believe that the ideal way is with counter-messaging that creates and maintains pressure in regards to the batshit insane stuff that comes out of the mouths of their opponents. when kamala was asked on cnn about trump questioning her race, she passed it off as "oh, that same old story with trump, like usual!" and she waved it off, basically normalizing it, instead of calling him out for the obsessed lunatic he is. that kind of shit in itself cedes ground, which is probably what i shoulda said in the first place. like, she had walz right by her side, whom she should have asked "what do you think about that?" - not just because it woulda been a great, organic thing that people would have asked themselves and gone "oh yeah, he really is, huh?" but it would've been a way for him to take it and run with for the entire campaign like he did with the shit about them being weird.

but it's more than just that because there's a lack of follow up on that shit, and their attention then shifts to things that don't matter (like identity politics, as alluded to before), or things people don't understand or care for: like gotcha moments/trophies. kamala prancing around with liz cheney for a month while calling out trump for being a facist was like utter agony for me to watch. something more ideal is like "hey, this fucking psycho obsessed with race and trans people has NOTHING factual to say to you about making your lives better with more work and more money in your pocket, but i got you." - rinse and repeat every single day until voters go to the polls.

but that's the shit that doesn't happen, it's tragic, and it's why i think what i do about how dems operate, and why i'm consistently crestfallen and pessimistic in that regard

[synistar]

I'm convinced that a lot of you have never met or interacted with a trans person in your lives.

Worked with two. One was a complete bitch that used her identity as a crutch to manipulate people.

The other was a good woman. Before she got top surgery, she pulled me aside saying she was transgender and I gave them my full support. Didn't stay at our work place long afterwards because account names were static and it sucked having a dead name as your email and login.

Interacted with Miles Jai during a film shoot for a friend's youtube channel more than 10 years ago about gender fluidity. Video doesn't exist anymore since it is outdated on a lot of concepts that have since evolved.

[Tyche]

Didn't stay at our work place long afterwards because account names were static and it sucked having a dead name as your email and login.

This is why I said that. This woman left a job over an email. Small things to us, we take for granted. People were being so flippant about it just being a bathroom and she could use her private one. It's not about that. Being forced to go to the wrong bathroom fucking sucks. Being misgendered intentionally is awful. Just imagine if a law changed that singled you out and forced you to change fundamental aspects of your life. It's a mental health nightmare. It takes these people years and decades to get to the point of acceptance, coming out, and making lifestyle changes, only to be expected to revert back the day a new law goes into effect. The bathroom matters. Pronouns matter. This fight is bigger than just her and she should know that, whether she likes it or not. If she doesn't, she wasn't ready for this job because she should have anticipated this the day she filed her candidacy.

[Meresgi]

Identity politics is the losing battle, pretty soundly too

Fix people's perception of the economy and ride that win into who pees where.

No, because that shit didn't work at all. It's not the perception of the economy, it's the fucking struggle of the lower class trying to get by. GoP hits the Dems on identity politics because it stirs up their die hard frothing at the mouth folks...but the average voter if you ask them what they think about kids having a dick or a vagina in school while wearing a skirt is going to punch you in the face and call the cops.

Telling people "oh it's just how you perceive the economy and that it's bad" while they are paying shit tons for rent, cant buy a house, losing their jobs, etc etc isn't going to make them go "oh wow...you're right liberal elite suburb man! I was wrong all along. The job market is great!". Now you can tell them what Dems are doing to get it back on track, what they have done and what they are going to be doing and talk about how they realize there's a struggle. Hell Kamala came out of the gate swinging with this and going after corporate interests before her campaign reigned her in immediately with "lol they give us the $$".

Identity politics is a losing battle when it's your only fucking ammo, but it's not the fucking reason the Dems lost. It's not because they didn't swing center enough, or they were too woke. It's because they didn't fight back against GoP on major economic issues and kept playing defense on woke politics only. Attack the right properly and appeal to the working folks and holy shit....even with a "woke agenda" you might stand a chance because GoP needs to constantly back pedal and try to spin the narrative about why after all this time....oh yeah shit actually isn't better with them in charge.

[Drai]

As much as people are shitting on this woman for not standing up for her right to use her preferred bathroom, you gotta remember politics is a game, from what I can see she knows how she needs to play the game in order to even be able to get ANYTHING she wants passed for her constituents.

She needs to show the Republican majority she's at least willing to meet them halfway if she wants any hope of passing any bills that would positively benefit her constituents, building relationships and making deals, even behind closed doors are how shit gets done, so she needs to play the game.

Honestly in the long term what's better for Trans rights? a Trans women who fights for her right to use a bathroom she doesn't even care about? Or a Trans women who can potentially get even a little of her campaign promises fulfilled despite the other side having a majority?

[Qalbert]

how dumb are you