Two Term Celebrity Politician - JD Vance Missing Persons Coldcase

[Fiye]

Like Trump literally had to kick out a Neo Nazi from running his election campaign in PA and the ADL kept fucking silent on that shit

[Drai]

looks like Harris is set to give her concession speech shortly here.

[Tyche]

It's literally everything. Caring too much for Palestine when she could have just said Israel has a right to defend itself against persistent terroristic threats. She could have said inflation is too high and she's gonna do something about it. She could have made it clear she isn't ambivalent to illegal immigrants and we should do something about it. Joe could have dropped out sooner and let a primary process play out where Kamala could have lost that too and we wouldn't have been stuck with a candidate that couldn't reach the end of the nomination process the last time we had one.

She definitely could have made it a point to say she isn't left, cause that's already holding her back. Shit, while she's at it she should have tried convincing people she wasn't a woman, cause that held her back too.

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This is reddit copium trying to blame anyone but yourself. It's bullshit.

[Melena]

I'm not going to say dems are not without blame, but I put just as much blame on the media sane washing Trumps literal mental decline in real time video, while harping on Biden having a stutter, and Kamala quite literally not turning water to wine for all of us.

[Tyche]

Most of the shit you say she should have said is shit that she clearly laid out. 95%+ of democratic policies are interchangable between candidates, but we hold candidacy to a much higher importance than we hold policy.

Republicans could give a fuck less about candidate strength. It's policy that matters. Or the illusion of policy.

[Tyrath]

I'm not going to say dems are not without blame, but I put just as much blame on the media sane washing Trumps literal mental decline in real time video, while harping on Biden having a stutter, and Kamala quite literally not turning water to wine for all of us.

Yarp

[Mrbeansman]

I used to think this way too but I assure you, nobody who's convinced to vote in Donald Trump because of mean comments on the internet was ever /not/ going to vote Donald Trump. They just use that as an excuse or justification to make themselves feel or look better.

If being mean online is really their political swing factor, Donald Trump and his MAGA wouldn't win an election ever.

It's the same dumb shit as people saying Trump turned grandma into a Nazi. Bitch she was always a Nazi and Trump just pushed her out into the open.

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[Tyche]

I'm not convinced that 12 million democratic voters who sat at home would have gotten up if they had just one or two more reminders of his mental instability when they watched multiple news cycles on him being a fascist and did nothing.

[Tymon]

It's the same dumb shit as people saying Trump turned grandma into a Nazi. Bitch she was always a Nazi and Trump just pushed her out into the open.

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Yeah I got no sympathy for this either.

My family are conservatives. They didn't vote for him. Never did. Never would.

[Meresgi]

The campaign Democrats ran wasn't the issue.

Apparently it was because Kamala didn't get near the votes Biden did and Trump fucking won lol. What was the issue? People being sexist and racist? Yeah everyone knew that coming in and going out, they did nothing to combat that. The economy was an issue despite people hating the term "vibecession" it seems that was a huge thing too.

but we hold candidacy to a much higher importance than we hold policy.

It's literally the opposite lol.

[Tyche]

The economy wasn't an issue. The perception of the economy was the issue. And messaging "you're too dumb to understand post-covid inflation economics and "soft-landing" out of a recession" to people that post memes that say "remember when interest rates were 2.75% and milk was $1?" isnt very easy.

[Tyrath]

The economy wasn't an issue. The perception of the economy was the issue. And messaging "you're too dumb to understand post-covid inflation economics and "soft-landing" out of a recession" to people that post memes that say "remember when interest rates were 2.75% and milk was $1?" isnt very easy.

Correct. Archie posted this in the other thread

https://twitter.com/elsecaller_/stat...kMh1MWNjA&s=19

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And I think once again we need to get on one thread for the election lol

[Salodin]

This is reddit copium trying to blame anyone but yourself. It's bullshit.

How so? Assuming "yourself" is America. When she says she can't think of anything she's so different than Biden, that should have been "inflation wasn't great, I'd do something about that". Even if it's just words, it's easy to say and lie about versus whatever it is she did. We can't help how uninformed Americans are, best we can do is just lie to them better. She should have done a better job of lying.

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[Malithar]

i'd also like to see examples of exactly where the Democratic Party was sending out hostile messages towards white males

white males in America are being lost culturally first, then politically, and as usual the concept of 'to the privileged equality feels like oppression' rings true

I can't remember what I saw about this, but there was some video on it. Maybe it was Last Week Tonight, but not really sure. Anyways, essentially, it's not that there are actual "attacks" on white males. However, any step towards racial/gender equality by default would reduce the opportunities available to the current majority group, which is perceived as an attack by white males. This isn't unilateral by any means, but there's a large enough segment that has that viewpoint and would do anything to keep their advantage that Trump became their guy, since the alternative would potentially lead to that loss of opportunity. It's like you phrased it, loss of privilege to (some of) those with it feels like oppression.

[Yabby]

i'd also like to see examples of exactly where the Democratic Party was sending out hostile messages towards white males

white males in America are being lost culturally first, then politically, and as usual the concept of 'to the privileged equality feels like oppression' rings true

There was literally a video posted by someone right after I made those comments where she spent 30 mins going over everything you are asking.

[Tyche]

How so? Assuming "yourself" is America. When she says she can't think of anything she's so different than Biden, that should have been "inflation wasn't great, I'd do something about that". Even if it's just words, it's easy to say and lie about versus whatever it is she did. We can't help how uninformed Americans are, best we can do is just lie to them better. She should have done a better job of lying.

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So you think that she never said anything about doing something about inflation? What the fuck are you talking about? She campaigned on every point you made in the previous post.

[Tyche]

But yeah, Democrats just gonna have to embrace fake news.

Put out fake studies. Invent 50 new pregnancy deaths related to abortion laws. Shit, make a promise to give a $5000 yearly tax credit to households making under 75k a year. Who cares if you can actually do it.

[Tymon]

I can't remember what I saw about this, but there was some video on it. Maybe it was Last Week Tonight, but not really sure. Anyways, essentially, it's not that there are actual "attacks" on white males. However, any step towards racial/gender equality by default would reduce the opportunities available to the current majority group, which is perceived as an attack by white males. This isn't unilateral by any means, but there's a large enough segment that has that viewpoint and would do anything to keep their advantage that Trump became their guy, since the alternative would potentially lead to that loss of opportunity. It's like you phrased it, loss of privilege to (some of) those with it feels like oppression.

You didn't touch on the 'culturally lost' part, so I will.

Here's an example of a conversation between somebody online (perhaps terminally so) and a low information white guy:

White dude: <insert tone deaf/stupid/silly opinion here>
Reply: Of course you'd think that, you're a straight white guy
White dude: ??????? what? why does that matter at all? I don't understand

Now there's a crossroads at this point.

The more common reply is to denigrate that person, demand he do his own research, or simply dismiss him as a troll and claim he's not being genuine. But in the case of my point here, he is. Congratulations, you might have just thrown somebody that could have been educated down an abyss of radicalization.

The less common, but way more helpful reply, is to educate that person compassionately on the subject. A lot of people just lump everybody in one bigoted monolith. In reality, a lot of people are responsive to conversation and education if approached correctly.

Now - is the person in question here, if they are radicalized, at fault for their actions afterwards? Absolutely yes.

But would the effort to be a little more forthcoming and reasonable with them potentially be a net positive for both of you? Also, absolutely yes.

[Yabby]

So you think that she never said anything about doing something about inflation? What the fuck are you talking about? She campaigned on every point you made in the previous post.

All the ads I’ve seen on her plan for inflation say, “She has a plan for that”—then just direct you to her website to read it. And this is exactly where she loses ground to Trump. Sure, he’s lying and has no idea how to actually fix it, but he can throw out a quick, memorable line, and people remember it.

Having a full, detailed plan online is great for the few who actually care enough to look it up. But the reality is, 95% of people aren’t going to visit a website to read a full plan. You need those buzzword "fixes" to hook people. And sadly, a real plan doesn’t fit into sound bites. So we’re back to the sad truth: just fucking lie to them, and they’ll eat it up.

[kuronosan]

Y'all people seem to forget when I said exactly what someone else just did - people didn't perceive the economy to be better even if numbers said otherwise.

Kamala ran a great campaign in the time she had. Supporters failed her. Shit I saw:

"STOP CALLING HER KAMALA IT'S VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS"
"I REFUSE TO SUPPORT GENOCIDE"
"RAWR THEY DIDN'T FORGIVE MY STUDENT LOANS YET"
"RAWR YEA IF SHE HAD 4 YEARS WHY DIDN'T SHE DO [X]"

The generation that voted for her fell prey to social media because they have zero fucking awareness by design. They worship morons like Musk Rogan and RFK because they lack critical thinking, and when it comes to the other side that morally sits out they masturbate with a jar of smug because the candidate doesn't pass the purity test.

Kamala was never going to win their vote.