Two Term Celebrity Politician - JD Vance Missing Persons Coldcase

[Yuri-G]

You didn't touch on the 'culturally lost' part, so I will.

Here's an example of a conversation between somebody online (perhaps terminally so) and a low information white guy:

White dude: <insert tone deaf/stupid/silly opinion here>
Reply: Of course you'd think that, you're a straight white guy
White dude: ??????? what? why does that matter at all? I don't understand

Now there's a crossroads at this point.

The more common reply is to denigrate that person, demand he do his own research, or simply dismiss him as a troll and claim he's not being genuine. But in the case of my point here, he is. Congratulations, you might have just thrown somebody that could have been educated down an abyss of radicalization.

The less common, but way more helpful reply, is to educate that person compassionately on the subject. A lot of people just lump everybody in one bigoted monolith. In reality, a lot of people are responsive to conversation and education if approached correctly.

Now - is the person in question here, if they are radicalized, at fault for their actions afterwards? Absolutely yes.

But would the effort to be a little more forthcoming and reasonable with them potentially be a net positive for both of you? Also, absolutely yes.

this needs to be emphasized. the liberal tendency to choose perceived moral superiority over actual human connection is problematic. it's satisfying to say "look at this bigot, I am so much better than them" but what does that accomplish? we cannot tolerate bigoted actions but we can engage with bigoted people.

if you put people in a box they're going to act like they're in the box. if you call people bigoted pieces of shit they're going to act like bigoted pieces of shit. some of them would have done that anyway - but not all of them.

[Lokus]

So you think that she never said anything about doing something about inflation? What the fuck are you talking about? She campaigned on every point you made in the previous post.

Yea, there's is some serious gaslighting going around, the fuck. Someone mentioned earlier that Dems should have focused less on trans issues as well when it was Trump's campaign that very clearly propped that talking point up multiple times at rallies and on ads. Harris barely focused on it and when she did, it was due to being asked about it outright. Maybe there were ads talking about it but I've basically only been fed republican ads across most social media platforms, Twitter especially.

18 million people just didn't give a fuck this time around either due to Palestine & Ukraine and the money being spent there or just not personally seeing the positive effects of this "strong" economy because the price of groceries and gas is the only bullet point that matters.

To Yabby's point, it is quite sad that to be a successful politician, you really do have to live and breathe the stereotype of being lying sacks of shit to get elected and Trump is simply the best at it.

[kuronosan]

It's not just 18 million dude. There were a shit ton of Republicans that couldn't stomach voting for Trump and switched to Harris, so accounting for that even LESS people turned out for her.

[Salodin]

So you think that she never said anything about doing something about inflation? What the fuck are you talking about? She campaigned on every point you made in the previous post.

The best clip I've seen regarding her difference to Biden, the guy so unpopular he dropped out in favor of her, is her saying "I wouldn't do anything different". Nah, she didn't do a good job differentiating herself.

Yes, she needed to lie better. As a party, they need to learn to lie better or lose to better liars over the long run.

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[Athas]

There was literally a video posted by someone right after I made those comments where she spent 30 mins going over everything you are asking.

Even in the aftermath of this election I really don't think Shoe's take on this holds much weight.

[Salodin]

At the end of the day it's whatevs, what's done is done. From how we're conversing though you can tell straight up this is different than 2016. Feel like we've all taken the accelerationist pill and want this fucker to do every bad thing he's promised and more to the people who clearly want it. bring it on. I should be disgusted at the schadenfreude but I won't be, they literally voted for this.

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[Tyrath]

The best clip I've seen regarding her difference to Biden, the guy so unpopular he dropped out in favor of her, is her saying "I wouldn't do anything different". Nah, she didn't do a good job differentiating herself.

Yes, she needed to lie better. As a party, they need to learn to lie better or lose to better liars over the long run.

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No the worst clip was that she said she'd be different by having a Republican in her cabinet. That was a terrible response

[Tyche]

Supporters failed her.

Until post election data comes out in the following and weeks or months showing otherwise, I'm beating this fucking drum.

Maybe it's the fury of the recency of it all, but God damn I'm fucking enraged at the apathy of our coalition.

[Tyche]

The fact that democratic voters SHOULD give a fuck about either of those statements or clips while Republicans allow themselves to accept far worse further emphasizes my point. Y'all both are telling me how bad those statements were. They didn't even fucking register for me. They wouldn't have been a 30 second blip for trump.

[Yabby]

Ok, i'm coming down from my buzz so it is time to get some good drugs. Have a great night gents, lets hope for a better day tomorrow.

[Tyche]

Trump was OK killing his Vice President and democrats are like "BUT SHE SAID SHE WOULD HAVE A REPUBLICAN IN HER CABINET".

You're the fucking problem.

[kuronosan]

The reality that will be lost on these kids is that Republicans were always okay with a less than moral candidate in the name of winning while Democrats are never okay with less than perfect even if it means losing because "some day they'll get the message".

[Tyche]

The war will be bloodless because Democrats will fold.

[Salodin]

The fact that democratic voters SHOULD give a fuck about either of those statements or clips while Republicans allow themselves to accept far worse further emphasizes my point. Y'all both are telling me how bad those statements were. They didn't even fucking register for me. They wouldn't have been a 30 second blip for trump.

You cant change the voter pool she's dealing with. You just gotta deal with it, and things like this, and more, are why she failed. The Democratic party just needs to be different than what it is now. Full stop

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[Lokus]

Dems voters and, in part the left, need to understand that they can't skip an election even when their candidate doesn't tickle their balls just right. Repubs are blessed with consistency on top of electoral and representative advantages.

[kuronosan]

Serious question. What more could the democrats do other than shift further and further right? Because I guarantee even addressing the issues of people with messaging on the economy wouldn't have changed this outcome. It's seldom that simple.

[Tyche]

Trump propped up a Democrat that's infinitely less popular than Liz Chaney and said he'd give him complete control of food and medicine and still turned out voters...but yeah, Harris's decision to bring Liz Chaney was the issue.

[Obsidian]

You change change the voter pool she's dealing with. You just gotta deal with it, and things like this, and more, are why she failed. The Democratic party just needs to be different than what it is now. Full stop

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Doesn't really matter what the Democratic Party does if their voting base is too stupid and unwilling to vote for a less-than-perfect option to avoid the dramatically-less-than-perfect alternative.

[Mertron]

Trump propped up a Democrat

cmon man

[Tyche]

cmon man

Republicans say the same thing about Liz.