Two Term Celebrity Politician - JD Vance Missing Persons Coldcase

[Ksandra]

So some juicy drama popped up overnight. I'll try to summarize, but it's worth it to read.

Long story short, Elon and Vivek announced they want to double the HB1 visa program, because in their eyes, specifically Elon's, Americans are too stupid (read: expensive) to do coding/software/engineering jobs, so they want to increase the number of Indian immigrants to take those jobs from Americans. As you might imagine, this is one of the red lines that conservatives actually do not want crossed, and anyone who speaks out against the idea is getting their verification status revoked on twitter. This includes prominent conservative twitter handles like in this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAte...in_charge_get/


Laura Loomer was affected also; Elon revoked her verification, then removed her ability to make longer tweets. She's having a complete meltdown. Cons are in a tremendous uproar, and Elon is stoking the flames. The cons are in twitter spaces holding meetings, and Elon keeps jumping in under a fake name trolling them all, pissing them off further. I'm going to quote a play by play a user on Reddit was doing, which I highly recommend reading, because it's absolutely schadenfreude gold. The result of this trolling has had the more extreme right wingers 1. calling for Vivek to be deported, and 2. Making threats to kill Musk outright (see my prediction in the Celebrity death thread for 2025. Go make your predictions!) Anyways, for your reading pleasure, the breakdown of their...breakdowns:

The whole thing is recorded: https://x.com/i/spaces/1kvKpbolvzZJE

3 hours so I just kinda skipped around. I will say Musk is in an intense convo between 1:50-2-20 ish that’s hilarious.

Very obviously trolling the shit out of them.

[Tymon]

Hell yeah brother! Fuck Elon! White pride worldwide!

Wait what? Oh uh forget that last part

[Guitarman]

Didn't the industry just go through a whole reckoning with CS engineers and it's nearly impossible to find employment?

Musk wanting to abuse employees by holding a literal fucking country over their heads, which he can't do with Americans.

It's absolutely brutal. I've been out of work for 10 months, well over 300 applications. I've got guys in my social circles with 20+ years of top of the line experience, including FAANG, who can't find shit. One of our guys worked to bring down a huge crime ring, was in the LA Times, New Yorker, etc everything for the work he did, he still can't find a new job. Tech is absolutely brutal right now.

Damn I didn't expect to see so much pushback here against brain-draining and cream skimming other countries' top talent.

Crab buckets all the way down

I didn't expect you to not realize that we have perfectly intelligent people here in America who just can't find work because companies want unicorns for pennies on the dollar. Why in the hell bring in others from other countries to do the job at 1/3rd the wage, threatening deportation if they step out of line or refuse to do 60 hour weeks? "cream-skimming" through exploitation isn't virtuous no matter how you cut it.

[Cantih]

"cream-skimming" through exploitation isn't virtuous no matter how you cut it.

Archi got big Gredival "We're winning, they're losing. Any other factor is an externality, perfect." vibes.

[Salodin]

Archi might sing a different tune if he found out it was Indian H1Bs taking all the editing jobs he hasn't found lately

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[archibaldcrane]

The 85k H1B visa cap per year has been in place for 2 decades. Indian software engineers didn't cause interest rates to go up or tax code changes for software developer salaries that are causing a slump.

Blaming the decades long steady low rate of H1B high skilled immigration for the current slump is the laziest nativistic thinking.

Monster tech companies employing hundreds of thousands of Americans being founded and/or ran by high skilled immigrants are legion. Killing the golden goose of international talent combined with strong American institutions is an awful idea.

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[Tymon]

https://nypost.com/2024/12/28/us-new...rce=reddit.com

Trump is all in, it seems. Let the MAGA Civil War begin

[archibaldcrane]

Archi might sing a different tune if he found out it was Indian H1Bs taking all the editing jobs he hasn't found lately

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Surprisingly Reed Hastings is an American born white man so I can't be racist about why my job prospects were destroyed

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[Byrthnoth]

Lmao, did the maga chuds think that the Trump administration would do something so costly as attempting to train Americans instead of treating the workforce's education as an emergent property of a system they don't control?

I know plenty of people on H1Bs and most of them are cool doods. Tech workers aren't underpaid. If doubling the cap lowers tech salaries by 10%, we'll be fine.

That said, the US tech sector has powered our economy over the last decade while lowering the global quality of life. If they are going to make it even more productive, I would hope they might do something with regulation to make it less dystopian. For instance, I'd much rather each incremental h1b be a doctor than a tech bro.

[Sirious]

Making it dystopic makes them consume things to fill the void, don't count on that changing

[archibaldcrane]

That said, the US tech sector has powered our economy over the last decade while lowering the global quality of life

? By what metric?

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[archibaldcrane]

When a person moves from India (median income $3900/yr) to take a $120k/yr job in America, that's dystopic, to me

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[Byrthnoth]

It's more like 40k to 140k, but still.

Idk exactly how you would quantify it, but Google search results are worse than they were a decade ago. Facebook has inspired at least one genocide. Twitter made the most insufferable people important. The news media has been eaten by software. We are experiencing an autocratic wave that is at least partially and maybe entirely caused by how easy it is for people to buy public opinion (also a tech product). I don't know how you could do a cost benefit on the tech stocks that power the US economy since 2010 and come out positive, and the negative consequences are international.

We are basically subsidizing an industry that has spent the last decade getting better at extracting value and worse at providing value. At least use the marginal H1Bs to make health care cheaper.

[Outlaw]

Some of the Trump picks aren't even going to make it till January. Calling it now.

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[Ayn]

A bit late on this whole discussion, but a lot of the pushback I've seen isn't so much against drawing the best and brightest from other countries, but the justification used: That there aren't enough computer science/engineering students in the U.S., thus we need more H1Bs.

Been a while since I've pored over the data (maybe someone here has), but isn't it a combination of things? Like yes, there's a shortage (though perhaps not as pronounced, as say, in healthcare) in some areas, but there's also a lot of people (at least in CA and other areas) all trying to go for the big companies. Or in some cases, CS grads maybe not willing to relocate out of their hometowns (I've known of a few here -- could easily snag a FAANG job, fine where they're at making decent enough, but not crazy money).

I also suspect there are a few on this board that can speak to 'being the smart kid' not being something that's really valued/getting shit for it (to an extent). Also personally, my annoyance with some of the discussion around it is that it seems like another justification not to invest in a large scale pipeline at home -- though it does happen in certain pockets.

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https://www.npr.org/2024/12/30/nx-s1...e-jean-carroll

Court rejects Trump appeal in E. Jean Carroll sexual abuse and defamation case


A federal appeals court has rejected an appeal by Donald Trump after a jury decision that he sexually abused and defamed E. Jean Carroll.

After a nine-day civil trial in 2023, a jury determined that the plaintiff, E. Jean Carroll, was sexually abused by Donald Trump at a Manhattan department store in 1996. The jury also found that Trump defamed her in statements made in 2022.

The jury awarded her a total of $5 million in compensatory and punitive damages.

Trump appealed. He contended the trial court judge erred in several rulings — including decisions to allow the testimony of two women who alleged that Trump sexually assaulted them in the past. He also said the judge should not have allowed the jury to hear the 2005 Access Hollywood recording where Trump described how he kissed and grabbed women without first obtaining their consent.

In a 77-page ruling, a three-judge panel said the President-elect did not demonstrate that the district court erred in any of the challenged rulings. In addition, the appeals court said none of Trump's claims affected his "substantial rights" and it did not warrant a new trial.

[Sirious]

It's always a combination of things. We want not only to have the best and brightest, but to take them away from the other countries. Plus they already paid for their own education so it's more cost effective than training an American.

It's the thing the useful idiots forgot. They'll say America first, but mean themselves, not you. Whats good for money for the people in power in the country, not good for americans in general.

[Byrthnoth]

I mean, if 80% of software engineers are men then encouraging gender diversity just to parity (not even to match the disparity in college graduation rates) would increase the supply of software engineers by 60%.

Oops that would be DEI my bad

[Byrthnoth]

What if we also figured out why men are failing out of college more often than women and tried to stop it?

Oops, DEI

[Byrthnoth]

What if we reduced the disparity of opportunity that plagues our society so more people had a shot at becoming programmers?

Oops, DEI