Two Term Celebrity Politician - JD Vance Missing Persons Coldcase

[Tyche]

Devs aren't engineers bro

[Tyche]

It's like saying the guy nailing your roof is a contractor or structural engineer

[archibaldcrane]

Devs aren't engineers bro

In the bureau of labor statistics software engineers are developers

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[Tyche]

Ok, well you're (they're) mixing two different roles into one, with one having measurably less income potential.

[archibaldcrane]

They do also have a "computer programmers" classification though.



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[Byrthnoth]

If you want to start exploring the literature, here's the first google result for you, Archi: https://scholarship.tricolib.brynmaw...7f8466/content

Looks like a preprint that concludes:

Because of the limited nature of the data, the only conclusion that can be drawn for certain from the regressions comparing native and H1B salaries is that H1B employees make significantly less than natives in the same occupation and state in computer science, sciences and architecture and engineering, but make more money in banking.

He gives a list of other people with similar conclusions. TBF, this is the consensus and (as someone who has been on the other side of the table in hiring meetings for tech companies) is definitely what employers think.

[Byrthnoth]

I don't fully understand why they even bring these people to the US in the first place. 2000+ H1B visas could be a Tesla R&D campus in India. The cost of converting dollars to rupees can't possibly pay for the difference in salary expectations.

The only guess I have is that HBS grads have strong feelings about in person collaboration (I guess for the whole company) and maybe think that Indian management culture produces bad and perhaps counterproductive outcomes. Those may actually both be true.

[archibaldcrane]

The tech company I work at doesn't have any H1Bs, but half our employees are remote working Brazilians. My supervisor is a citizen now, but she came from Vietnam on an H1B (at a different company)

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[Buffy]

Make them all come to America. Getting fucking support from the service team when they are on IST (India time) makes me want to kill myself every time we have an incident.

[archibaldcrane]

Make them all come to America. Getting fucking support from the service team when they are on IST (India time) makes me want to kill myself every time we have an incident.

Yeah, that's literally the reason we use Brazilians.

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[archibaldcrane]

Kinda surprised American companies don't just make the remote Indians work night shifts.

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[Tymon]

Mine does. They work 8-6 central time so for them 8:30pm to 6:30am. I might be slightly off on the time zone. I feel bad for them tbh

[kuronosan]

My dude, H1B is just a legal way for companies to fire domestic employees to save money and prevent unionization. That's really all there is to it. It needs to be reformed and fixed but Musk isn't arguing for the sake of domestic jobs he's arguing for the sake of profit.

[6souls]

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1874104598119817364

[TsingTao]

That's been around for quite a while. No idea if it's new to Fox Business but I've seen them shilling that for at least a year. Feels like longer

[Ayn]

Do the H1B’s also get the same RSU/stock options that other employees get? Since they’re contractors I’m guessing not?

120k, while noted, is not bad, compared to others in the industry it isn’t depending on the area (unless you’re a hire fresh out of college). Though that would go further in Southern CA than much of Northern.

[archibaldcrane]

My dude, H1B is just a legal way for companies to fire domestic employees to save money and prevent unionization. That's really all there is to it. It needs to be reformed and fixed but Musk isn't arguing for the sake of domestic jobs he's arguing for the sake of profit.

Making software engineers more like doctors (cartel strictly limiting new supply, foreign-trained workers need not apply) would be bad actually.

[Salodin]

But the supply isn't artificially constrained. It's not even constrained. The companies just want to spend less per person for a job.

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[archibaldcrane]

But the supply isn't artificially constrained.

That's good

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[Meresgi]

That's so much cheaper than the median SFE salary

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and...developers.htm

And of course that doesn't figure in the employer sponsoring costs.

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"Computer occupations"...the fuck? that could be literally anything. H1B people are going to range across the spectrum from slamming out code for 16hrs a day while chugging redbull and cocaine to more specialized fields like AI development. H1B cybersecurity jobs exist as well, not 100% sure how that interacts with any govt work but pretty sure you can't get a TSI/Poly on an H1b at least.