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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Y'all people seem to forget when I said exactly what someone else just did - people didn't perceive the economy to be better even if numbers said otherwise.

    Kamala ran a great campaign in the time she had. Supporters failed her. Shit I saw:

    "STOP CALLING HER KAMALA IT'S VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS"
    "I REFUSE TO SUPPORT GENOCIDE"
    "RAWR THEY DIDN'T FORGIVE MY STUDENT LOANS YET"
    "RAWR YEA IF SHE HAD 4 YEARS WHY DIDN'T SHE DO [X]"

    The generation that voted for her fell prey to social media because they have zero fucking awareness by design. They worship morons like Musk Rogan and RFK because they lack critical thinking, and when it comes to the other side that morally sits out they masturbate with a jar of smug because the candidate doesn't pass the purity test.

    Kamala was never going to win their vote.
    I was teaching my students today and I said "I know you hate my class because I force you to think and that even when you cheat you can't get an A because the tests are application not memorization. But the point is that I'm trying to equip you to be able to make a decision beyond just listening to Joe Rogan..."

    Then they all started hooting and hollering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyche View Post
    Republicans say the same thing about Liz.
    Ya but her policies actually line up with Republicans. His don't line up with dems.

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    Imo the Democratic party would be fine if they, at least vocally, stopped caring so much about Palestinian kids and also, vocally, started caring more about American white children. They need to up the domestic drama in their favor. Stop shouting and crying at the immigration facility fence for street cred, and start asking why private charter schools get funding when they perform worse than the public school down the street for Jimmy White.

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    Education (lack of) is a primary contributor and that's not a thing Kamala had any control over. Could've just lied endlessly, but that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    You cant change the voter pool she's dealing with. You just gotta deal with it, and things like this, and more, are why she failed. The Democratic party just needs to be different than what it is now. Full stop

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    No one is restructuring the party in 90 days. So if you actually believe that the entire party needs to change, then you can't blame her for failing or the campaign for failing to reshape an entire electorate in 3 months. That's fucking insane.

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    I don't think I want Democrats to reshape the electorate. I mean I do, but I don't think that's reasonable especially in 90 days. But we absolutely need to be honest about America's character, and honestly Democrats need to at the very least feign desire for stricter immigration policies and stricter monetary policy.

    I think we're both on the same page and realize Democrats just need to lie more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrath View Post
    Ya but her policies actually line up with Republicans. His don't line up with dems.
    That's kind of the point though. To them, it doesn't matter. Trump called RFK a liberal lunatic and radical Democrat. Then his electorate embraced him full stop.

    Democrats are debating the decision to embrace the support of Liz and if that was a mistake. It's a dumb as fuck conversation that misses the issues to redirect blame.

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    At some point in the next two years, a book will get written that details how some group in the White House conspired to hide Biden's mental decline, then we will know who the blame really falls on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyche View Post
    At some point in the next two years, a book will get written that details how some group in the White House conspired to hide Biden's mental decline, then we will know who the blame falls really falls on.
    Can't argue with this. Straight facts.

    Also this guy is me atm. Fuck everyone, have fun with your president. No one in my social circle makes enough money to benefit from the policies proposed by Trump, so I know for sure they're going to have a horrible time these 4 years and I love it.

    https://twitter.com/Reg___G/status/1...aFE2iU9eA&s=19

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    Oh I'm going to make more money. It makes me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Oh I'm going to make more money. It makes me sick.
    give me the extra money I am happy to help you feel better

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Oh I'm going to make more money. It makes me sick.
    Trump's absolute failure to contain Covid bought me a house I could and should have never been able to afford otherwise.

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    I could have bought an 11 pull and have 1000 gems left over, but all I got was this silly title.

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    And I will say "Fat Chance" to any sort of extension of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions for taxable income after 2025. Or it will come at the expense the inevitable demise of the Dept of Education, NOAA, and whatever the hell else is on the chopping block.

    So we will all be making less unless you own property.

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    https://twitter.com/amandawtwong/sta...pG43M_Zrw&s=19

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    it's extra fun a winter storm hit last night and I've been without power about 16 hours now, no estimated return. it's getting pretty chilly in here now

    somehow the Dems did this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyche View Post
    That's kind of the point though. To them, it doesn't matter. Trump called RFK a liberal lunatic and radical Democrat. Then his electorate embraced him full stop.

    Democrats are debating the decision to embrace the support of Liz and if that was a mistake. It's a dumb as fuck conversation that misses the issues to redirect blame.
    It's because the democrat base actually listens to reality. So you can't use the "well Trump did it so why is it bad for her to do" logic when literally she was held to a different standard on everything.

    You'll notice how Al Franken had to resign for minor pranks instead of getting elected to be president twice like the rapist.

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    Anyone have the recap on Kamala's concession? Don't know if I have the stomach for it myself right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrath View Post
    It's because the democrat base actually listens to reality. So you can't use the "well Trump did it so why is it bad for her to do" logic when literally she was held to a different standard on everything.

    You'll notice how Al Franken had to resign for minor pranks instead of getting elected to be president twice like the rapist.
    I agree with this 1000%. It's what I've been screaming and why I am fucking furious at voters. Democratic voters set the bar too high for their candidate when it literally doesn't fucking matter if it's Harris, Whitmer, or Jill doing her best impression of Nancy Reagan playing Weekend at Bernie's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    Can't argue with this. Straight facts.

    Also this guy is me atm. Fuck everyone, have fun with your president. No one in my social circle makes enough money to benefit from the policies proposed by Trump, so I know for sure they're going to have a horrible time these 4 years and I love it.

    https://twitter.com/Reg___G/status/1...aFE2iU9eA&s=19

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    When it comes to US issues, well yeah he's right, fuck the fools that voted for this, when it all comes back to bite them in the ass, they were fucking warned and they didn't listen. And fuck the hypocritical Palestine virtue signallers too, real great of them to bitch about Biden/Harris not being tough enough on Israel and not voting for them when the only alternative is happy to glass the place and build a trump hotel on it. Literally failed the lesson of choosing the lesser evil to keep the greater one out. As for the US itself It seems people there need to suffer personally before they realise the corrupt idiots they voted in are the reason shit gets worse and complaining about high prices when the ones who you voted out were still in the middle of fixing that shit and couldn't get the job finished any quicker due to the economy being a fat ass behemoth to steer. My only sympathy will be for those who voted against Trump who tried to stop this shit and of course for Ukraine who will have a harder time now dealing with this vatnik trash state. Lets just hope Putrids country implodes first and takes him down with it and that the rest of Europe can organise to restore our own militaries and build up the EU into a full defensive Union as well.

    Ill say it before and Ill say it again: "Human Stupidity is the Cancer of Existence".

    PS: Maybe we need to switch America off and on again by letting Trump and his idiots try their shitty agenda and utterly fucking things up so bad they piss off enough people for a Blue Tsunami. Guess the only motivation to fixing shit is ragebait it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Serious question. What more could the democrats do other than shift further and further right? Because I guarantee even addressing the issues of people with messaging on the economy wouldn't have changed this outcome. It's seldom that simple.
    I think they need a cultural personality that isn't afraid of being politically correct. I was reading that part of the whole messaging issue is that it's not just media amplifying what Republicans say, but that Trump is constantly on X/Truth rambling away. It gave his supporters a constant dopamine hit, engaging with their guy multiple times a day. They were hooked. Democrats are behind on that front. We had the KamalaHQ handle memeing it up pretty good, but Kamala herself wasn't out there posting daily about whatever. Get a little batty, lean into that brat label she picked up early on, fucking stretch the truth, whatever. But this whole high ground "right way" nonsense ain't working when the other side has effectively an IV drip of Trump ramblings in their veins at all times.

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