Month Four: 90 Days, Zero Deals | White People TACO Night

[Mrbeansman]

Barretts still a shithead but watching Trump and his team be humiliated by his own SCOTUS justices is some delicious poetic justice.

[kuronosan]

What did she do?

She eviscerated the lawyer arguing the case before the court.

[Melena]

What did she do?

You could almost hear the moment her brain went what the fuck when the lawyer tried to say that Trump can ignore precedent if he doesn't agree with it.

[Tyrath]

Are there clips of this? lol

Or an article.

[Tyche]

Def no clips lol. When's the last time you saw a clip of a SCOTUS hearing?

https://www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-b...-court-2072962

Barrett, appointed to the court by Trump, on Thursday asked Sauer about whether the administration "wanted to reserve its right to maybe not follow a Second Circuit precedent say, in New York, because you might disagree with the opinion?"


The "general practice" is to "respect those precedents," but "there are circumstances when it is not a categorical practice," Sauer said, prompting Barrett to ask if he meant he believes that is the "general practice" of only the Trump administration or the federal government.

Sauer replied that he understands it to be the "long-standing practice of the Department of Justice."


Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett meets with senators in Washington, D.C., on October 21, 2020, while U.S. Solicitor General D. John Sauer, inset, is pictured testifying during his confirmation hearing in Washington, D.C., on... More Sarah Silbiger-Pool/Getty Images; Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

"Really?" responded Barrett.

"That we generally, as it was phrased to me, generally respect circuit precedent but not necessarily in every case and some examples might be a situation where we're litigating to try to get that circuit precedent overruled and so forth," he responded.

Barrett, however, said she's not referring to when there's a "case from 1955 and you think it's time to be challenged," but how the administration acts when a circuit court rules an order is unconstitutional. Sauer said the court "generally" follows that.


"So you're still saying generally? And you still think that it's generally the long-standing policy of the federal government to take that approach?" she said.

He responded, "That is my understanding."

Earlier in questioning, Justice Elena Kagan raised a similar matter, asking Sauer how the administration would react to a judge in the U.S. Second District Court of Appeals ruling one of Trump's executive orders is unconstitutional.


She asked whether the administration would commit to not enforcing an executive order to anyone living within that district, or if it would simply say, "no, we can continue to apply the rule, as to everybody else in the Second Circuit."

Sauer said the "general practice" is to abide by circuit precedent within the circuit, but that he can't answer because it would "depend on what the lower court decision says."

When Kagan questioned whether the injunction would apply to everyone or just the individual who brought the suit, Sauer said the court should not enter injunctive relief if the case does not meet the "rigorous criteria" for class certification

I really need to provide some context. Sauer (the Soliciter General, or SG, or the attorney defending the Trump administration) specifically asked the justices not to weigh in on the merits of Birthright citizenship, just the question of UIs. Justices dug in anyway. Sauer didn't just shit the bed, he got torched by every justice save Roberts and Thomas. Typically, the SG is considered the "tenth justice" because the vast amount of deference they're afforded at the court. What happened today is rare. I do believe it's reflective of their feelings toward the legal practices of the executive. Sauer may well win the question of UI, but I think the general attitude towards the SG today spoke volumes that they are not gonna write a blank check for his bullshit. At the same time, Sauer was fucking terrible, one of the worst arguments I've sat through, and he still may win because it is still decidedly a conservative court and, as I said, this is an issue for both parties depending on who is in office.

ACB is catching strays for her "moderate" history. Not just because she grilled Sauer. Sauer had 2 sympathetic justices, the rest were a mix of confused what the admin actually wants and shocked at how Sauer argued this case. Kagan's questioning was incredible and worth a read if you can find a transcript.

[Dimmauk]

Are there clips of this? lol

Or an article.

I've heard a couple of clips of audio today.

[Tyche]

Kagan's questions on the bench are the equivalent of Obama speeches. One of the GOATs.

Here's some audio from today from Kagan. She's incredible. So much low key shade.

[6souls]

deleted sadly

From another source. The escort planes don't actually exist.

https://x.com/BrianG45100616/status/1922707755397496833

[Tyrath]

Def no clips lol. When's the last time you saw a clip of a SCOTUS hearing?

https://www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-b...-court-2072962


I really need to provide some context. Sauer (the Soliciter General, or SG, or the attorney defending the Trump administration) specifically asked the justices not to weigh in on the merits of Birthright citizenship, just the question of UIs. Justices dug in anyway. Sauer didn't just shit the bed, he got torched by every justice save Roberts and Thomas. Typically, the SG is considered the "tenth justice" because the vast amount of deference they're afforded at the court. What happened today is rare. I do believe it's reflective of their feelings toward the legal practices of the executive. Sauer may well win the question of UI, but I think the general attitude towards the SG today spoke volumes that they are not gonna write a blank check for his bullshit. At the same time, Sauer was fucking terrible, one of the worst arguments I've sat through, and he still may win because it is still decidedly a conservative court and, as I said, this is an issue for both parties depending on who is in office.

ACB is catching strays for her "moderate" history. Not just because she grilled Sauer. Sauer had 2 sympathetic justices, the rest were a mix of confused what the admin actually wants and shocked at how Sauer argued this case. Kagan's questioning was incredible and worth a read if you can find a transcript.

I meant audio clips lol

[Anoat]

From another source. The escort planes don't actually exist.

https://x.com/BrianG45100616/status/1922707755397496833

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Does anyone with half a brain think the DoD would allow *any* foreign nation to provide a fighter escort for AF1? The US has bases all over the world to do this if they ever thought it necessary

[Tyrath]

Also Saudis dont have F-22s but are you asking if MAGAts have brains? Because the answer is no

[6souls]

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Does anyone with half a brain think the DoD would allow *any* foreign nation to provide a fighter escort for AF1? The US has bases all over the world to do this if they ever thought it necessary

https://x.com/TPAction_/status/1922790629928530170

[Gredival]

You can usually find audio from oral arguments at SCOTUS from Oyez

You could almost hear the moment her brain went what the fuck when the lawyer tried to say that Trump can ignore precedent if he doesn't agree with it.

I mean that is what Trump has determined at this point and is forcing his legal team to put forward.

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[Outlaw]

Florida has become the second state to officially ban fluoride in public water.

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed SB 700, also known as the Florida Farm Bill, into law Thursday. The bill doesn’t specifically mention the word “fluoride,” but it effectively bans the mineral by preventing “the use of certain additives in a water system.” It will go into effect July 1.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ter-rcna205127

And..

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. health regulators announced an effort Tuesday to phase out ingestible fluoride supplements sometimes used to strengthen children’s teeth, opening a new front in Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s effort against a mainstay of dental care.

https://apnews.com/article/fluoride-...da0c4754b78cf2

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[archibaldcrane]

This is really insane. Flouride is genuinely important for dental health, but what an experiment to once again prove it

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[kuronosan]

Look, the simple answer is most people are fucking stupid.

[6souls]

TikTok is no longer a security threat after their parent company purchased $300M worth of $TRUMP brand crypto.

[Tomiko]

Def no clips lol. When's the last time you saw a clip of a SCOTUS hearing?

From what I remember, there only 2 pictures from LONG ago taken during a hearing.

https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/c...0for%20decades.

[Lucavi]

This is really insane. Flouride is genuinely important for dental health, but what an experiment to once again prove it

What can I say? Humans really get bored of peace and stability and want the pot stirred simply for change's sake.

This'll never go away. Humans as a collective aren't willing to do what it would take to fix this. Better to just keep worshiping the rich in hopes of a trickle-down effect.

[Lokus]

What can I say? Humans really get bored of peace and stability and want the pot stirred simply for change's sake.

This'll never go away. Humans as a collective aren't willing to do what it would take to fix this. Better to just keep worshiping the rich in hopes of a trickle-down effect.

I swear you're one monolouge away from being a villain, ready to show the world the consequences of their folly.