Month Eight: Crashing Out Over A Podcaster

[Tyche]

I didn't miss it. Y'all made it clear. Nothing Trump does matters. It's important to put the information out there for people to know. And it doesn't actually matter if you put it out there because..well, nothing Trump does matters. "Get the info out there, also, it doesn't actually matter" is a convenient argument that is truly hollow. It's just your doomer hypothetical, a year from the election,in response to current events gives off some Sirious vibes in the amount of laziness that it takes to reply to any post with "rigged" and valisk vibes for posting something that is old news people have posted about for months.

Or you could just let people discuss what they post instead of derailing it into months old theories about an election a year away.

[Tyrath]

I literally agreed with you it's important to put the info out there. You're just salty as fuck that someone might think you're naive about continuing to be shocked at their behavior.

Which I did think you were, naive. But after all this bitching about it now I just think you're dumb.

[Tyche]

You're conflating me being shocked by shitty things they are doing with me trying to understand the politics behind the reasons they're doing those shitty things. "It isn't going to matter, rigged" is not the answer despite the repeated parroting. It's worth asking why the administration is willing to bend and break the law in the effort to keep control of Congress, and at the same time, push policy that counters that. "Rigged" is a dumb answer. It's not even a coherent one. But it's the one you continue to make and continue to call me dumb for questioning.

If you think these policy decisions are made carelessly in a vacuum because they don't care, that's dumb.

[Mrbeansman]

I saw a random tweet the other day that said that snapp should just pay out government made rice and bread and I was kinda amazed I don't see a similar sentiment from these psychos more often.

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[Mrbeansman]

You're conflating me being shocked by shitty things they are doing with me trying to understand the politics behind the reasons they're doing those shitty things. "It isn't going to matter, rigged" is not the answer despite the repeated parroting. It's worth asking why the administration is willing to bend and break the law in the effort to keep control of Congress, and at the same time, push policy that counters that. "Rigged" is a dumb answer. It's not even a coherent one. But it's the one you continue to make and continue to call me dumb for questioning.

If you think these policy decisions are made carelessly in a vacuum because they don't care, that's dumb.

The fact that people are parroting the rigged sentiment so much just shows how effectively the machine is working.

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[Tyche]

If you could simply explain to me how this policy helps further their goal of holding power, by whatever means you believe they'll attempt to do so, I'd love that answer after 3 pages of you avoiding it. Instead of replying "because they'll cheat", answer the original fucking question of "how does this help them do that"?

[Obsidian]

Being unable to come up with a different reason while searching for one and being bludgeoned over the head with the answer is why he's calling you dumb. Searching for some super deep answer for the actions of a man and government who have repeatedly proven over 5+ years that they do not give a fuck what the people who voted for (or against) them want is daft. They're doing this because they can, they don't really care if it's unpopular because it has never really mattered because their base will vote for them regardless and that base has proven to be a larger source of votes than the Dems have. The goal is to get what they want, this is the way they think they can apply the most pressure. That's the end of the story. They are not worried about midterms that are over a year away, either because they think some combination of replacing Powell with a yes man who will cut rates to 0% and their bog standard market manipulation will fool people into thinking the economy is good, or because they think they're going to be able exert enough legal and illegal influence over the midterm elections for it to not matter.

It's important to get the information out there regardless because people need to know what's happening. Denying what's happening is what's stupid. The President is a vindictive baby.

[Tyche]

They're doing this because they can, they don't really care if it's unpopular because it has never really mattered because their base will vote for them regardless and that base has proven to be a larger source of votes than the Dems have.

The whole post is dumb, but this continues to be untrue. Why do you guys keep saying and keep believing it?

Trump takes a TON of electoral losses. This shit he does matters and it's been proven it matters. Stop posting this dumb shit. He lost a general election because of shit he did. He lost a ton of congressional seats because of shit he did. He lost TWO GEORGIA SENATORS. Voter enthusiasm matters and saying it doesn't is a truly stupid fucking take.

[Tyrath]

They're going to do it through various avenues, both legal and illegal. Here's one:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dominion-v...y?id=126378259

It's shit like this that we aren't talking about enough.

But thats besides the point because I'll answer this for you one last time.

You're conflating me being shocked by shitty things they are doing with me trying to understand the politics behind the reasons they're doing those shitty things. .

You trying to understand their politics is like you trying to play chess with a pigeon. Their plan is to flip the board over. You are trying to understand their political moves with a rational train of thought, which for them doesn't exist. Trump is out here having Great Gatsby parties because the plan is to grift and funnel all the money to them and to not let go of the levers of government ever again. Dude already tried one coup, and this time he is surrounded by yes men and people who wrote down on paper what their plans to takeover are.

[Tyrath]

The whole post is dumb, but this continues to be untrue. Why do you guys keep saying and keep believing it?

Why DONT you believe it? It's fucking happening in front of our eyes. He's not going to let go of power unless he keels over and the voters aren't going to get to decide it. He's already telegraphed his plans with the rigged election of 2020 BS and this time he has people willing to follow through.

[archibaldcrane]

They're going to do it through various avenues, both legal and illegal.

But not today though, just next year?

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[Tyche]

This illusion that he's somehow the Teflon of electoral losses is some real revisionist history.

[Tyche]

But not today though, just next year?

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I don't think these posters understand game theory, seems evident.

Their take is they can very strategially spend millions of dollars influencing state houses to redistrict, but when it comes to other policies, they don't care about strategy and flipping the board is ok?

Like I said, convenient to accept this as fact and lazy to not ask why.

[Obsidian]

Trump takes a TON of electoral losses. This shit he does matters and it's been proven it matters. Stop posting this dumb shit. He lost a general election because of shit he did. He lost a ton of congressional seats because of shit he did. He lost TWO GEORGIA SENATORS.

He's the President again, because of shit he did.

[Salodin]

I didn't miss it. Y'all made it clear. Nothing Trump does matters. It's important to put the information out there for people to know. And it doesn't actually matter if you put it out there because..well, nothing Trump does matters. "Get the info out there, also, it doesn't actually matter" is a convenient argument that is truly hollow. It's just your doomer hypothetical, a year from the election,in response to current events gives off some Sirious vibes in the amount of laziness that it takes to reply to any post with "rigged" and valisk vibes for posting something that is old news people have posted about for months.

Or you could just let people discuss what they post instead of derailing it into months old theories about an election a year away.

No one said you couldn't discuss though. You're the one telling people to STFU and leave.

"IM NOT MAD YOU ARE"

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[Salodin]

Also, local elections are not federal ones.

If it makes you feel better, I do appreciate you posting current events about the president. I don't think I've ever asked you to stop, and don't recall anyone else asking you either. You're upset people aren't engaging with you the way you want, which is fine, but let's not make this into something it's not.

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[Tyrath]

I'm gonna be as happy as most posters here if all of their attempts to steal future elections fail. Why are they doing the dumb, cruel things right now? Because they are dumb, cruel, greedy assholes and they think they will get away with it. The answers to that aren't really that important or interesting tbh

[Salodin]

I'm getting letters in my school mailbox with district food bank resources for specific families because they're trying to get ahead of the SNAP situation. Shit sucks, and idk how today's elections will help.

Also, can we wait to see some results from the election before complaining about the complainers? Maybe we'll gain some hope seeing the guy who eats rice with his hands win an election.

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[Tyche]

I just really struggle to get past the thinking this administration is dumb. It feels like they want you to think that, while their dumb way of executing the office has been one of the most highly effective in recent memory. I wish I could be that dumb.

I'm more of the opinion that they are very cognizant of their political strategy in order to hold that power. I think evidence suggests that they are highly competent and suggestions that their political strategy is to be dumb and cruel is really missing the forest through the trees. I'm not saying they don't make policy mistakes. I'm saying they don't do it without strategy.

Now, with all that said, I 100% acknowledge that Trump's atrophied brain will sometimes lead him to tweet shit without advising anyone and blow up a lot of shit, taking his administration by surprise. I do not believe that's the default.

[Tymon]

In Trump's case, I think it is as simple as him genuinely believing the stuff he says because he 1) is both a massive narcissist and is massively underinformed due to constantly drinking the koolaid of his own yes men and friendly media, made way worse by the fact that he 2) has increasingly severe dementia. He probably really does believe that there is no inflation and gas is $1.29/gal or whatever the fuck he says every so often. Why would he believe he is in a precarious political position when everyone loves him and everything he does is massively successful and America is winning every day?

In the case of the Stephen Millers and Kevin Roberts out there, there is, first and foremost, what they have all plainly stated and written extremely lengthy books and papers on doing. Which includes rigging elections, among many other things. As for what they haven't stated? Yeah, it's super hard to rationalize. You can certainly rack your brain trying to understand why the very evil, tactically minded people behind the scenes in the administration would allow so many politically toxic statements to be made. As you say, it only galvanizes the populist base. The question there is, is that populist base going to go out and vote no matter what? Or are statements like that targeted at the dumbest, lowest common denominator that has to be constantly reminded that you have to go support the administration's agenda by voting in elections that affect their policy goals?

Lastly, as far as Trump losing elections based on actions he took (or didn't take), there are a couple examples: the 2018 midterms and the 2020 election. In the 2018 midterms the GOP got steamrolled for pretty generic and historically common reasons. Unpopular POTUS in an election with his name not on the ballots. It really felt like in that year that their heart wasn't in it. As for the 2020 election, he lost, barely mind you, despite being impeached and completely fucking up the response to the biggest health crisis in a century. His policies directly killed thousands, the overwhelming majority of whom supported him. Despite that, the highest turnout in years, and voting accessibility at an all time high, he still barely lost. A few counties in a few states away.

It is, again, plainly obvious that the strategies that the GOP has historically employed, even under Trump, are not what they are doing right now. So, while it is certainly fair to posit election outcomes based on past history, to claim with any kind of certainty that "X data means Y is fucked" is enormously naive. Things are different this time and will be next year, too. That doesn't mean that you throw up your hands, say it's rigged, and give up. It does mean that you have to see the forest for the trees and strategize how best to prevent it.