To SB about KB this morning....

[Milks]

agreed, we should all stfu and be friends

what happens happens

bahamut sucks

[Zigma]

damn, that sucks. I don't approve of the whole cure spamming shit. Was mrwatermonkey there when this was happening? I think he was sleeping. You can't blame him over things that happen on the LS when he's away.

I don't like the cure spamming shit but there is little I can do since i'm not in anbu other then defend my friend who've i known for over 6 years.

Don't blame him (Mrwatermonkey) and his whole LS over somebody IN his LS and don't blame THAT somebody over not getting the pull. You all know how impossible it is and to be honest, even without the cure spam, would it of made a diff? :X DO however blame HIM for the CURE spam and the way he acted as he represented HIS ls in a camp (the 3 people that cure spam you)

Don't run his name on the f*cking dirt making him look like a bad guy.

God, I feel lucky how i don't have to deal with crap like this from NA LSs.

[Solefald]

A while back there was an NA LS that spam cured our pullers during pop windows. We called GM and the GM warned the other LS or something, so they stopped. Then they resorted to crowding around our main pullers and casting bar- spells and bard songs on themselves to try to lag us. That type of shit is the height of lameness and shouldn't be tolerated.

[Hellboy]

You get a cookie.

[Xavier]

I don't blame mrwatermonkey, and I don't think anyone else should either. He wasn't online, so he probably had nothing to do with it. I do, however, think the few RDMs showed increadibly bad judgement in fucking with us during a claim. No less than a week ago everyone in BG was hopeful, "maybe we can get along, have fun now, stop the bs". The hostility was fucking over....but immature 12 year olds get to blow it for everyone. Just don't let it go unpunished, a little reasoning from a SB leader might go a long way to justifying cheating us out of our right to attempt to claim KB. Nobody is saying we would've claimed without the cure spam, but I guarantee you, 100%, that being able to voke at all outweighs your chances just sitting there voking a rdm.

[Bokchoi]

At least NA on your server actually get a chance to kill King Behemoth.

King Behemoth and Aspidochelone have never once been killed by a NA LS on Asura, Nidhogg has been killed a whopping 5 times by NA LS.

Today KB popped... my LS had exact time of death and everyone spamming their fastest pull method, mages subbed WAR just for voke and everything... it popped purple to me... several people in the LS said it popped yellow to them... but they still got the target is claimed response even tho it was yellow for 1-2 seconds on their screen.

Fun.

[Maleci]

Reading your forums, I noticed one thing, you seem to paint the picture that you are fair and just. Anbu as you call us is just some low life linkshell? Well maybe your leaders should actually live up to what they preach on the forums. I was at the KB pop today, and after the pop your fearless taru Bert started sending me tells out of nowhere. Started asking why we did it and swearing me out. He even went as far as calling every member in Anbu ignorent and rude. I am not one of the mages that "spam cured" them, hell I'm not even a mage, and I'm not a leader of the linkshell either. Sitting there harassing me would accomplish NOTHING. Seems to me that your high and mighty taru was being just as ignorent and rude as he claims we are. I'm not saying either LS is right, but you should look at yourself before you point fingers. You can't judge a group based on one or two people, judge them on the actions they take. If you have an issue with someone fine have an issue with them, but don't be a dick to everyone else just because of that. I hope both LS's can at least be civil to each other.

[Edwardtheblack]

They do what must cause problem without thinking subsequent thing for their benefit.

It's child quality.

[Quicklet]

If the situations were reversed, you would, in all likelihood, apply the actions of the people within the LS to that LS's reputation. If the people in your LS do something that's in the same category as MPKing and claim stealing, then yes, it can reflect badly on you and your LS by association.

If you are at the event, and you are present while these people are doing it, and you know that they are doing it, and I'm sure something was said about doing this, then you are just as guilty of letting this happen. If you didn't know that this was going on, then maybe you should ask the people who did this why they did it. It was obviously intentional. Instead of getting upset at the fact that your LS's reputation is looking very poorly right now, maybe you should ask whether or not it's worth having these people in your LS if it's going to cause every major HNMLS to look at you knowing that this could happen again. They won't trust you. They won't respect you. Think about that.

[Scunsion]

judge them on the actions they take.

[Maleci]

That still puts you as hypocrits, degrading us while you yourself don't live up to the standards you seem to draw out for everyone. What did Bert plan on gaining by sending me harassing tells? As I told him in game: I'm not a mage, and I'm not the leader of the LS. YAY lets all go cry to some random person next time something goes wrong.

[Quicklet]

That still puts you as hypocrits, degrading us while you yourself don't live up to the standards you seem to draw out for everyone. What did Bert plan on gaining by sending me harassing tells? As I told him in game: I'm not a mage, and I'm not the leader of the LS. YAY lets all go cry to some random person next time something goes wrong.

LS members represent the LS. When someone in the LS does shit like this, the whole LS looks bad.

Jeez, so I "cheated" Get over it and move.

[Nikkei]

Ok, I posted those pictures to show who the people were and what they were doing. I honestly hope that people are not taking this out on the entirety of S|B. The 3 rdms who did it, should be known so people are aware next time of what these people will stoop to. I can pretty much bet money on the fact that if MrWaterMonkey had been there, this would not have happened. When he said he wanted the 2 LS to be cool with each other, he meant it. I honestly dont think that the enitre alliance might have even known what those 3 were doing. But, what's done is done, and yes we will be upset about it and we will be angry. But understand that if you were in our shoes you would be too. The only thing left now is to see what S|B leaders will do about this, cause if any BG members had ever done anything like that, we would be kicked almost immediately.

[berticus]

Maleci, I contacted you because in some sense we go somewhat far back. I did your AF1 with iduna and after that you always telled me saying how things were going or asking for some sort of advice or something like that. I didn't ever broaden my anger to the entirety of anbu, and the reason I was cussing etc was out of outrage. I overslept the pop window and when I woke up I saw KB up, and I was like "wow, I hope we camped it and thats our KB," and then 3 seconds later when the people loaded I was like "damn, way showed up." Then I was like "hi" in LS and everyone spammed me with tells about the gayness that ensued, that took our chance of claiming KB from 10% to 1%, and I was annoyed.

I tried to make it clear on the front page, this is where we stand - the reason for the outrage isn't anbu as an LS - it's specific members, BUT they do represent the LS as long as they're in it.

Sorry I vented at yuo Maleci but you were basically the first person I saw who I knew

[Sadler]

I dont think kicking members would be the first course of action personally. A slap on the rist will get these monkeys in line, but if they were to do so in the future again im sure MWM would be left with no choice but to take action.

On a further note I honestly feel Elitone's cure was a mistake, although I have my doubts about the sheer bad-timing of the cure. I remember Elitone being inside my character model before all this "Tish Tosh" started so I can imagine her making a wrong tab towards Gilmaster who was fighting an elemental.

The other people I have no doubt was doing this on purpose. I shall leave you guys to make up your own decisions about Elitones cure, but I have already made my decision to forgive and forget whether it caused the loss of my hugely awaited claim of King Beh or not

Lujan Out.

[layoneil]

At least NA on your server actually get a chance to kill King Behemoth.

King Behemoth and Aspidochelone have never once been killed by a NA LS on Asura, Nidhogg has been killed a whopping 5 times by NA LS.

it's actually pretty much the same on Bahamut.

KB has only been killed once by NAs and the only reason it happened was because the JP LS that claimed was expecting an NQ Behemoth pop and they wiped and an NA LS won the random.

Nidhogg maybe is up to 6 kills now.

Aspid, i don't know exactly. it's been killed by NAs but not that many times.

[Nikkei]

Well Lujan you are entitled to your opinions but I still think that a slap on the wrist would not be sufficient. Anyone who was there that day will now remember what was done on future NM's. If someone does something like that once, there really is no telling if they will do it again. These players have now made it clear to us that certain boundaries of respect do not apply to them.
And after looking at the pictures, yes, maybe Elitaone mistargeted you, she was doing haste etc on Gilmaster. As for the other 2, one cure maybe, but to repeatedly cure one on someone... I don't think so.

[Romero]

Wow, what a fiasco

[Kesaan]

this thing seems so gay....

cos i do know ppl from both sides...and hirro is actually my fren TT

why in the world did u guys cure them???

/sigh.....

i dunno if BG members do use bots to out provoke other LSes at Fafnir or KB....

but i dont tink so...and i do feel...the 3 SB rdms were wrong to cure them...or spam cure on them...or wateva....

i hope this shit clears up....

[bait]

I never thought people could be so irrational and dumb as the people who spammed cure at KB, until I read this forum and found out people were trying to defend these kinds of actions. Accusing of botting, etc. with no proof at all doesnt in any way justify what those 3 people did. Why even ruin your rep on KB considering it pops claimed for 90% of NA's anyway and the realistic chance of BG getting the claim(or any NA ls) with multiple JP ls's there was pretty low...(im assuming there wasnt only way there).