To SB about KB this morning....

[layoneil]

Things will never be civil between NA. honestly, I have no idea what happened. I don't care. Both sides are biased.

in a nutshell.

3 people from S|B, Hirronimus, Elitaone and Kaindar targeted and casted cure on pullers of other HNM LS (various members of BG and Stoner of Sekaix) during a King Behemoth pop. that's the simple fact of what happened.

to elaborate, at least one person, Hirronimus, did so intentionally to hinder the ability of these pullers to claim KB.

both sides may be bias but that's the facts.

you should care what happens because those people reflect on the group that you belong to. if you don't care what happens that also reflects on you.

Reading your forums, I noticed one thing, you seem to paint the picture that you are fair and just.

to me that your high and mighty taru was being just as ignorent and rude as he claims we are. I'm not saying either LS is right, but you should look at yourself before you point fingers.

the opposite of fair and just is not ignorant and rude. the opposite of fair and just is unfair and unjust. the opposite of ignorant and rude is knowledgeable and polite.

while people on all sides have been rude, there's nothing unfair about being rude. cursing up a storm and getting angry at people they probably shouldn't have, however rude and ignorant you might feel that is, it doesn't take away other people's abilities to fight and claim mobs in the game.

there's obviously a lot of bad blood between both LS and people are going to want to dig at the past and use past events to justify other actions but people being rude, people bragging and being arrogant, none of that matters.

the central issue here is that 3 people did something that was unfair and unjust and shifted competitive advantage.

You can't judge a group based on one or two people, judge them on the actions they take.

i totally agree with that. and that's why S|B as a whole will now be judged on the actions they take. what most of us would like is for someone that represents S|B as an LS to respond to a few things.

1) does S|B acknowledge that members of your LS attempted to hinder others in having a fair competition at the last KB pop? (considering that one of them has already admitted to it not being an accident, the only real question here is did the others do it on purpose and did other people in the LS know and/or encourage them to do it?)

2) does S|B condone actions in which their members purposely hinder others in having a fair competition in claiming NMs?

3) if S|B does not condone these actions, what actions will your LS take?

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personally, the only acceptable action to me is to remove the people responsible from your LS. anything less than that is really nothing more than a facade.

i do think there's enough evidence Elitaone mistargeted but for 3 people to do it at the same time (and all using Cure 1), that'd really be a stretch.

if you are in S|B and don't want your entire LS judged by the actions of one or two people than please ask your leaders to take some actions which everyone can judge your whole group by.

not caring and not doing anything is an action in and of itself.

[Farasi]

I wasn't there. I wasn't online. And yet suddenly I suck because of the actions of people I can't control. This I don't understand. I've seen both LSs do underhanded things, heard the stories, seen the proof. And still I'm a scumbag because of a color over my head. You talk about civility and you blatantly curse my friends. This is only one incident in a series of incidents that blast NA back to puberty. After all of this and all this discussion it's still the entire LS that is at fault on the front page of your website. I can apologize for what was done, but it's empty if I don't know what happened.

So you blame me for something that happened when I wasn't there. You curse out people that can't rectify the situation and don't know what's going on. And then call /us/ children.

I apologize on behalf of myself. /bow If I offended you in any way I am sincerely very sorry. Please stop the abuse now.

[layoneil]

After all of this and all this discussion it's still the entire LS that is at fault on the front page of your website.

Of course we don't blame the whole LS, but as long as the people who did this are in Anbu, there won't be much peace.

there has been no discussion from official representatives of S|B. i suggest S|B members stop posting individual comments here and ask their leader(s) to speak for them as a whole.

[Mango]

Declare war on JP HNM LS. They own spawns on any HNM. Why? Because FFXI is a JP game, made for JP.

Yes, it is very popular in America and around the world, but it is MADE for JP. Servers in Japan, thus, they have better latency. Game is release in Japan before other parts of the world. So JP have headstart, not that it really matters because a shitty JP player can get good gear because he/she can win pulls faster.

If you think this game is about skill, you are a fool. The truth is that, there is minimal skill required, and it comes down to claiming the HNM.

Faf/Nid, KB, Aspid = all too weak. The real challenge is the new 3 dragons, which don't drop Abj. gear, or as far as I know, they do not. The Abj. gear drops from HNM, which are easy to kill, but only goddamn JP can get, because they can win pull. We all know why they win the fucking pull.

You people make it seem like it is about skill, but it is not. Sure, when you kill HNM for the first time, it is learning experience and you get better at it, of course. But after you have killed the same fucking dragon repeatedly(only getting pull because the JP LS who usually gets all the claims, has not needed any drop from NQ pop), or killing other NQ spawns, but never getting the HQ unless the JP LS fucks up or are not camping, you get very discouraged.

We all pay same money to play this game, but certain factors that are unfair and out of our control prohibit us from advancing. Solution: war with JP LS. It is not racist or anything, and not personal. because, honestly, all these rules and etiquette are complete bullshit when it comes down to it.

Rules and manners, are only made to benefit the JP. NA cannot claim, so they continually go and camp and then lose pull. Why should Na even camp? I will not mention the methods we could goto win the pull, because they are considered "cheating" and they are looked down upon by alot of people (mainly those people who already have killed the big HNM, and so they can say whatever they want because they do not understand/nor have to because they have already had the fun).

Many great players who do not reach their potential, or perhaps, attain equip that matches their skill. Rather, you see noobs getting Abj. gear because their LS can win claims. This game is bullshit in this aspect. It is not a true test of skill, only test of who has better bot/latency.

Declare war on JP HNM LS onry, and you even the playing field. Sure, they can fight back, but at least this way, you are "in the game," rather, than camp HQ HNM for 1-3hours, then watch JP cyborbs win claim, (HQ HNM pop purple, duh), and then watch them kill it while you sit there for another 45min wondering why you play this made-for-JP game...

Complete BS.

In relation to the curing of BG players to mess up their targetting: I think it is wrong to mess with your fellow NA player. NA vs. NA = even playing field. You should be fair to each other. I do not know what you 2 LS think of each other, but if you both camp without "cheats" then you should treat each other fairly. It is the JP HNM LS that are winning due to un-even advantages.

The game has been released for so long, and still NA cannot advance without either, recruiting mixed LS (JP and NA players) or "cheating," i.e., resorting to methods considered taboo by the higher level community, which in and of itself is based on bullshit and hypocracy.

Faf/Nid/Admantoise/Aspid/KB/Behemoth = All too weak. If you think this game is about skill and manners, you are buying into the bullshit guidelines, made by players who already have the nice gear, already have experienced the fun of killing HQ pop, etc.

People need to open their eyes and realize that following this stupid rules is truly unfair, and we should MPK and KS the JP. Do everything to win pull from them, otherwise nothing will ever change. Ever.

[Makaze]

Well, about an official positng here and defending us... wasnt mwm banned from posting? and if you look at the screens, when you piece them together cure was casted only 5 times. Screen shots over lap each other. so cure spamming... 5 cures.... alot of spam there

[cravygravy]

Faf/Nid/Admantoise/Aspid/KB/Behemoth = All too weak. If you think this game is about skill and manners, you are buying into the bullshit guidelines, made by players who already have the nice gear, already have experienced the fun of killing HQ pop, etc.

um if you have shitty set up from nidhogg and KB you wont win. and nidhogg if he wants to can step on you in about 10min. and you cant beat aspi without blm.

anyways curing people to force target is pretty cheap. obvious way to try to get a bigger advantage at KB spawn... although personally i dont think its that big of a deal. just summon like 7-8 carbuncles so its like dragons aery^O^

[rooster]

farasi, if you read everyones post.

S|B as an entity is NOT being blamed.

For the 3 people that where there, to try to make yourself too 'Ok' or 'Not at fault', when you ARE AT FAULT is not the right thing to do. I talked to Monkey last night, he said that he talk to hirro about it, and actions where being taken.

dont even try to act like you have been wronged... or that your Wrongness on the Wrongness scale is only measuring at a 5/10 and not a 7/10. You did it on purpose, you did it to TRY to win, you did it period, and it just fucking Wrong.


and makaze MWM was banned for about 1 week, he hasn't been for a while.

[Mango]

Faf/Nid/Admantoise/Aspid/KB/Behemoth = All too weak. If you think this game is about skill and manners, you are buying into the bullshit guidelines, made by players who already have the nice gear, already have experienced the fun of killing HQ pop, etc.

um if you have shitty set up from nidhogg and KB you wont win. and nidhogg if he wants to can step on you in about 10min. and you cant beat aspi without blm.

anyways curing people to force target is pretty cheap. obvious way to try to get a bigger advantage at KB spawn... although personally i dont think its that big of a deal. just summon like 7-8 carbuncles so its like dragons aery^O^

No shit. My point is that those battles have set strategies that are easy to follow. Who the fuck is going to goto Nid with a shitty setup? Only people who fight the thing for the first time, or have no clue what they are doing.

You fight the same mob a billion times, and the fight is no longer skill, it is redundant tactics. Anyone who has fought Faf/Nid, knows how easy it is if you come to the raid prepared.

I don't care what you say, Nid IS too weak lol and it's not like I am going to goto Aspid with a bunch of DRG/WHMs...

[cravygravy]

Faf/Nid/Admantoise/Aspid/KB/Behemoth = All too weak. If you think this game is about skill and manners, you are buying into the bullshit guidelines, made by players who already have the nice gear, already have experienced the fun of killing HQ pop, etc.

um if you have shitty set up from nidhogg and KB you wont win. and nidhogg if he wants to can step on you in about 10min. and you cant beat aspi without blm.

anyways curing people to force target is pretty cheap. obvious way to try to get a bigger advantage at KB spawn... although personally i dont think its that big of a deal. just summon like 7-8 carbuncles so its like dragons aery^O^

No shit. My point is that those battles have set strategies that are easy to follow. Who the fuck is going to goto Nid with a shitty setup? Only people who fight the thing for the first time, or have no clue what they are doing.

You fight the same mob a billion times, and the fight is no longer skill, it is redundant tactics. Anyone who has fought Faf/Nid, knows how easy it is if you come to the raid prepared.

I don't care what you say, Nid IS too weak lol and it's not like I am going to goto Aspid with a bunch of DRG/WHMs...

ok. heres your 5step program:

1. go to: http://www.thewildseven.com
2. admire our 18 nidhoggs and 58 Fafnirs.
3. admire our 10 King behemoths
4. admire our 11 aspidos
5. then never talk to me again

i also like when you say "WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO NID WITH A SHITTY SET UP" "I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY NID IS TOO WEAK" man CALM THE FUCK DOWN.

[layoneil]

and if you look at the screens, when you piece them together cure was casted only 5 times. Screen shots over lap each other. so cure spamming... 5 cures.... alot of spam there

doesn't matter if it was one Cure or Chainspell Cure spam, it produced the desired affect.

when was the last time someone got away with murder because he only shot once? most guns do have more than one bullet. it's the pointing and the trigger pulling we have an issue with, not how many times they did it after the first one, since the first one never should have happened.

[cravygravy]

and if you look at the screens, when you piece them together cure was casted only 5 times. Screen shots over lap each other. so cure spamming... 5 cures.... alot of spam there

doesn't matter if it was one Cure or Chainspell Cure spam, it produced the desired affect.

when was the last time someone got away with murder because he only shot once? most guns do have more than one bullet. it's the pointing and the trigger pulling we have an issue with, not how many times they did it after the first one, since the first one never should have happened.

man i like this guy. what a metaphor. im just going to stop posting in this thread, cause any minute mango is going to post something in all caps lock "FUCK YOU CRAVY BLAH BLAH BLAH". and i dont need to be flamed by his ls friends cause im better then him

[Mango]

Faf/Nid/Admantoise/Aspid/KB/Behemoth = All too weak. If you think this game is about skill and manners, you are buying into the bullshit guidelines, made by players who already have the nice gear, already have experienced the fun of killing HQ pop, etc.

um if you have shitty set up from nidhogg and KB you wont win. and nidhogg if he wants to can step on you in about 10min. and you cant beat aspi without blm.

anyways curing people to force target is pretty cheap. obvious way to try to get a bigger advantage at KB spawn... although personally i dont think its that big of a deal. just summon like 7-8 carbuncles so its like dragons aery^O^

No shit. My point is that those battles have set strategies that are easy to follow. Who the fuck is going to goto Nid with a shitty setup? Only people who fight the thing for the first time, or have no clue what they are doing.

You fight the same mob a billion times, and the fight is no longer skill, it is redundant tactics. Anyone who has fought Faf/Nid, knows how easy it is if you come to the raid prepared.

I don't care what you say, Nid IS too weak lol and it's not like I am going to goto Aspid with a bunch of DRG/WHMs...

ok. heres your 5step program:

1. go to: http://www.thewildseven.com
2. admire our 18 nidhoggs and 58 Fafnirs.
3. admire our 10 King behemoths
4. admire our 11 aspidos
5. then never talk to me again

i also like when you say "WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO NID WITH A SHITTY SET UP" "I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY NID IS TOO WEAK" man CALM THE FUCK DOWN.

Different servers have different situations with HNM, you stupid douch. For example on Bahamut, the majority of HNM is run by JP.

I didn't even say anything in caps, you did. So blow me, you fucking tool.

[cravygravy]

Different servers have different situations with HNM, you stupid douch. For example on Bahamut, the majority of HNM is run by JP.

I didn't even say anything in caps, you did. So blow me, you fucking tool.

sorry im not gay, sorry to disappoint your gay fantasy of me blowing while you pretend that im some sort of tool sucking your dick. anyways dont you get it? you dont think JP are standing next to us at those camps???? just outpull them, ive won claim on aspi, nidhogg/faf, and KB... stop your fucking whining. "blahblah jp own my server blahblah" "we cant win a pull so instead we will cure the enemy so they cant use /targetnpc" fucking lame. and im a stupid douche for outpulling JP zomg. your fucking lame. why are you so mad about FFXI?! cause your jealous and you suck. thats the only reason you would complain so much about someone being better then you. complaining is the reason you dont win pull. if you honestly dont think you can outpull japanese, then why bother going to that camp.


btw i dont even know what ls your in or who you are, but damn you must be a shitty ls member. heres how i think it goes with you ls:

Mango arrives at Behemoth's Dominion.
Mango tpyes /search.
150 people found in this area.
Mango on LS chat: "Man we'll fucking never win pull with all these people here."
Some JP wins pull on KB.
"Mango: Fucking JP and their good connection"

Meanwhile over on Phoenix:

Cravy tpyes /search.
150 people in this area.
Cravy provokes the King Behemoth.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. I must be japanese.

[Mango]

Easier said than done, ass. Like I said, different server, different situations. I have gone to KB, and Nid, etc, and always the same outcome.

I don't know how it is on Phoenix, nor do I give a flying fuck. I was stating/implying the comments I made were true, on servers where JP cyborg HNM, and that shit pops purple.

I am not jealous and I give props to people who can advance in the game in a fair way. Maybe I should have clarified, but I didn't think someone would be so goddamn stupid as you.

You can flash your ph@tz all you want, but it doesnt apply to my server or the ones where what I said, applies.

You stupid-fucking retard. Cursing is fun

And no, you are not a stupid douch cuz you have zThe zPH@T$ (god you're such a assclown with the "z" thing lol). You're what I said you are due to you being a condescending piece of shit.

[cravygravy]

Easier said than done, ass. Like I said, different server, different situations. I have gone to KB, and Nid, etc, and always the same outcome.

I don't know how it is on Phoenix, nor do I give a flying fuck. I was stating/implying the comments I made were true, on servers where JP cyborg HNM, and that shit pops purple.

I am not jealous and I give props to people who can advance in the game in a fair way. Maybe I should have clarified, but I didn't think someone would be so goddamn stupid as you.

You can flash your ph@tz all you want, but it doesnt apply to my server or the ones where what I said, applies.

You stupid-fucking retard. Cursing is fun

And no, you are not a stupid douch cuz you have zThe zPH@T$ (god you're such a assclown with the "z" thing lol). You're what I said you are due to you being a condescending piece of shit.

im not condescending, i just speak the truth for those in denial. btw zomg is inside joke from my ls Humbaba so you dont know what your talking about. and my point is not that we have better equip(i never said that). my point is: bad attitude wont get you anywhere. if you you believe that you cant win EVER then why would you EVER bother going. everytime we lose a pull theres always next time. the only person that sounds stupid is you. "blow me" "fucking retard" wow man go back to 7th grade and use those there, im sure they would get a kick out of those ones. i made fun of you... at least in a creative way. now stop posting, cause the only shit you have to say now is "fuck, retard, cock, blow me". oh noes. and i dont want you to sound more jealous then you already are.

[Mango]

zomg im not jealous. All servers are not the same, which is what my point is. I am sure majority of everyone in FF can backup me up and state that there is definetly an un-fair advantage when it comes to claiming HNM.

I don't really want to argue with you either, and I am not whining, just stating my opinions/observations. None of what I have said is farfetched. You have an LS that has accomplished alot, but it's not a common occurence amongst NA. If you think it is, you are not only a fucking retard, but a naive, fucking retard.

Btw, just because someone curses you out, doesn't make them immature. Why does everyone say that? I call you a fucking retard, to stress that you are an idiot. Fuck is a very versatile word, as many of you all know. "Fucking" is used as an adj. to place emphasis on retard.

I didn't say it to be cute lol. So zomg u r a fucking ret@rd!!1

[Tarethes]

Unfortunately people with bad attitudes do get quite far in this game.

Cravy, if I remember correctly, a large chunk of your LS very much dislikes you, and a large chunk of the Phoenix population does as well. The only reason you get anywhere with TheWildSeven is because about half of it is JP and I'd say that alot of them don't get the chance to see your "other" side (being the side you show others alot of the time), especially the members of Damnbarrel and Feather.

[Septimus]

wheres septimus when you need him :D

TNT lol

http://www.tnt.tv/Images/hdr_tntlogo.gifhttp://www.tnt.tv/Images/hdr_weknowdrama.gif

It is well known that I have done my best to try to promote cooperation between NA linkshells. I try to get people to talk and work together.

I am sick of it.

What was accomplished by curing our pullers when the window opened? Congratulations, you just helped Wayfarer and PG become a little richer. Truly, good job, they were not rich enough already.

Reading though these posts, no one in BG is accusing S|B as a whole of misconduct, yet there are people coming in here and acting as if we called each and every one of their parents personally blaming them for the incident. Only certain members of S|B behaved in a shameful manner- try as you might to get past the specter of Anbu, individuals using tactics like this will make it look like you slapped a fresh coat of paint on the same old turd.

Personally, I am tired of trying to make peace. Yeah, S|B killed King Behemoth, but S|B got it because Bert ended the insanity that went on that day by having the linkshells /random for it. BG has bent over backwards to try to play fair with others, it is nice to see how that same courtesy is extended to us.

[Elcura]

I love TNT.

[rooster]

<3 sept