Can Drg be an Impact job endgame?

[Onizuka]

Sam can deal greeat dmg with fast ws's spaming, mnk's can deal mass avg dmg with fast powerfull attacks

I'll buy those 2 but..

drk can do mass dmg with diffrent ws's onto tank(so can sam)

and i myself have done a 1387 spinning slash 1747 light and brought the mob down from 85%hp

Do that kind of damage with anything other then /thf :3 Without /thf DRK is pretty fuckin gimp, especially when it comes to the Wyrms.

Okay im so sorry but seriously not to be mean but i think that was one of the stupidest things i have ever heard......Listen to your self for a second drk would suck if they didn't have a sub job...........WHAT JOB u know would be great without one...let me see nin pld cant tank their fucking gimp without war sub, like u said, sam subs thf too and if not for thf their ws's arent great but my ws's do as much as a mnks and rng's( heavy shot) do and more dmg without SA.... more than mistral axe wihout SATA so i don't need /thf i would just sub sam, i get everything they get exept for the lvl 50 trait plus my drk abilitys. so i would be getting tp as fast as anybody and with drk buffs easly do 600+avg dmg without SA, today in my pt when mob didn't turn i did 500-600 witout SATA so it's not that serious 200-300 more dmg is great, but i can do without it probally even better. ohh and if drk/sam is way to strong for you and u say "drk without /sam is fucking gimp" i'll just sub war, really a good job is a good job no matter what you try and say,don't hate on us for your own weakness

[genome]

I think his point was that thf sub doesn't really tell you much about the job's own potential. I mean i suppose a whm/thf could do ok dmg with a well placed SATA hexa or something, but that doesn't make them good DD or good melee. Also actually you can try to play a job without a subjob (by changing them both fast to the same main one), and many are not gimped imo. For example monk chi blast is not much different even without subjob or with a lvl 1 bard subjob etc.
For endgame stuff like hNMs dragoon is just not a good DD or doesn't have any other important purpose or use. If you have any two jobs at 75, I don't think you would ever have a good reason to pick DRG instead of.. well basically any other possible job.
Also different jobs have their special mobs they are great on, like I know monks own on skeletons compared to any other DD on them including rangers and drks. I don't know if DRG has anything like that but I don't think it does.

But of course if you have fun, go for it, you'll look cool in purple and those cool superexpensive barone equips etc. But iagain I have not seen any strategy so far that makes them special and needed. I kinda think they are a bit better healers than DD, because the cheap healing breath from subbing whm is nice from what I see, especially if you have a bit of mp regen from rdm etc, but still a whm or rdm would be much better...

If anybody knows of any special strategies, it would be interesting to hear them, like is there an all-drg party setup like those 5-blm 1 brd or like the 3 monks brd whm rdm setups, or the 6 BST party?

[Aratharn]

One of our Galka DRK does TA Ground Strike for 700+ consistantly on the Wyrms...


...from the front

He did 1400+ on Jormungand SA/TA from the back during Blood Weapon... pulled hate... Jorm drained drained back all the damage back he just did

[Crovus]

let me see nin pld cant tank their fucking gimp without war sub

Actually, you're wrong. Pld can tank without warrior sub, it's called Flash. It takes us a bit of time to gather enough hate for people to go all out, but it can be done.

[mithralily]

/Nod pld's can sub other then war and keep hate if their good at using what they have just like nin can sub something other then war and still be blink tank

[Razz]

So? DRK can sub something other than thf and still do more damage than a DRG. So you can't say that DRK is gimp on wyrms when we can stun and do damage if needed.

If you're solely talking about wyrms, then the whole "your job is gimp if you rely on one sub only" point is moot since PLD can only sub ninja for wyrms.

I can't believe people are actually posting "logs" of DRGs outdamaging RNGs. As someone said earlier, heavy shot isn't strong, so any skill chain ending melee could outdamage the RNG.

Another comment I find laughable is someone picking DRG over every other melee.

Seriously, GTFO.

[Liltwin]

I love you Miztki

[Onizuka]

let me see nin pld cant tank their fucking gimp without war sub

Actually, you're wrong. Pld can tank without warrior sub, it's called Flash. It takes us a bit of time to gather enough hate for people to go all out, but it can be done.

Your right Corv pld can tank without war, i never said they couldn't but with a sub job any sub job can help pld keep hate better.

Genome, i heard that drgs r good with flying type mobs like bats and stuff^^

[Hirronimus]

NIN with PLD sub? O_O

[Brunor]

genome i ask what i believe to be a very revelant question and i get alot of good responses from KNOWLEDGABLE people obviously your are one who posses's any knowledge whatsoever about drg so why post btw you idiot drg or lance actually is great against anything that fly's bats insects bombs etc so ya get your KNOWLEDGE up b4 you try and answer a question

[Crovus]

Your right Corv pld can tank without war, i never said they couldn't but with a sub job any sub job can help pld keep hate better.

Actually... you did say that they couldn't tank....

let me see nin pld cant tank their fucking gimp without war sub

[Saashaa]

wow... finally read this thing... ok... first off

Hell, even Liltwin would agree with us and he is probably one of the best equipped DRGs there is.

when tonyanjaii was drg he had better gear and out dmged many other melee on gods using SATA Wheeling Thrust instead of spirits within.

secondly, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999% of the people who say that drg suck for something, either have had 1 bad experience with a drg in a slightly similar situation, or someone told them. and honestly, get your own goddamn opinion, don't just use someone elses and claim it as yours. i'm willing to bet that many of the 'drg haters' never even touched the job, or lvled it past lvl 30.

your excuse about "Look at HNM LS rosters, they only have 1-2 drg" is a self generating loop hole. why do most HNM LS only have 1-2 drgs? because HNM LS only have 1-2 drgs. that's what people were 'taught' and that's what they 'believe'.

every job has it's purpose and uses in every aspect of the game. most people that complain, saying drg hit too weak, never incorporate the wyvern into it's owner's dmg. my wyvern hits for about half-2/3rds what i do per hit, and it attacks twice as fast as i do. since it is my pet, it is my dmg. and therefor i'm not doing 110 dmg per round(in exp) i'm doing 220 dmg, while a rng might do 180-190, with a bit faster attack speed.

even if you're given a parser log you're going to find someway to dismiss it so there's no point in it. hell there's not even much point in my making this argument because most of you are close minded and won't even bother to think there might be something to learn.

[Scunsion]

Close minded, or just honest?

[Onizuka]

Your right Corv pld can tank without war, i never said they couldn't but with a sub job any sub job can help pld keep hate better.

Actually... you did say that they couldn't tank....
[quote:34772]let me see nin pld cant tank their fucking gimp without war sub

[/quote:34772]

Crove if you want to make a fight out of nothing or it was simply a mistake, here are the facts, either you decided 5 pages was too much to read or it was a misstake and you over looked what Fira wrote, even if i quoted it with my reply

I'll quote it again in Firas words:

Without /thf DRK is pretty fuckin gimp

If you quoted the whole sentance i said

Listen to yourself for a second drk would suck if they didn't have a sub job........... WHAT JOB u know would be grest without one... let me see nin pld cant tank their fucking gimp without war sub

I was saying in HIS point of veiw /war (sub anything) would be "fucking gimp" people sub what job helps them the most in w/e situation, if they couldn't use that sub they would just use another

PS: Obvious Sarcasim look up both words

[Onizuka]

Close minded, or just honest?

LOL

[Quicklet]

wow... finally read this thing... ok... first off

Hell, even Liltwin would agree with us and he is probably one of the best equipped DRGs there is.

when tonyanjaii was drg he had better gear and out dmged many other melee on gods using SATA Wheeling Thrust instead of spirits within.

secondly, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999% of the people who say that drg suck for something, either have had 1 bad experience with a drg in a slightly similar situation, or someone told them. and honestly, get your own goddamn opinion, don't just use someone elses and claim it as yours. i'm willing to bet that many of the 'drg haters' never even touched the job, or lvled it past lvl 30.

your excuse about "Look at HNM LS rosters, they only have 1-2 drg" is a self generating loop hole. why do most HNM LS only have 1-2 drgs? because HNM LS only have 1-2 drgs. that's what people were 'taught' and that's what they 'believe'.

every job has it's purpose and uses in every aspect of the game. most people that complain, saying drg hit too weak, never incorporate the wyvern into it's owner's dmg. my wyvern hits for about half-2/3rds what i do per hit, and it attacks twice as fast as i do. since it is my pet, it is my dmg. and therefor i'm not doing 110 dmg per round(in exp) i'm doing 220 dmg, while a rng might do 180-190, with a bit faster attack speed.

even if you're given a parser log you're going to find someway to dismiss it so there's no point in it. hell there's not even much point in my making this argument because most of you are close minded and won't even bother to think there might be something to learn.

If a DRG's Wheeling Thrust is outdamaging other melees' WSes, then that says a lot about those other melees. As far as the reason why DRGs are much less viable than other melees in endgame is the exact reason that a lot of their overall damage is tied up in their wyvern. With most HNMs, the wyvern will end up dying to AE damage and the DRG will suddenly lose that key piece of their damage equation. Beyond that, the fact that DRGs were given a weaker WS (most likely due to the fact that their wyvern accounts for some of their overall damage) means that DRGs can't play as important a role in HNM fights as other melees.

The bottom line is this: DRGs are not *useless* in endgame, but there is no reason why a HNMLS would use a DRG over a SAM, a WAR, or a DRK, which is why most HNMLSes only have 1 or 2 if any. DRG just doesn't have a place in FFXI endgame right now, and no matter how much you want to believe that having a wyvern deal some of your damage makes you on par with other melees in endgame, it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't, because HNMLSes don't need wyverns that deal damage, they need melees that can deal the highest WS damage possible. It's just a fact that unless SE changes the way things are, DRG will not be as useful as other jobs in endgame.

[Onizuka]

The Wyvren would just miss 99% of the time on any of the end game HNM or gods, thats why they don't count wyvren dmg in HNM ls's(plz correct me if im wrong )

I wounder if drg subbed smn(in exp pt) seeing carby does the same dmg as their wyvrens, with carby mitts mp wont be a problem. I think it would be fun to see how that goes^^

[Darkvalentine]

wow... finally read this thing... ok... first off

Hell, even Liltwin would agree with us and he is probably one of the best equipped DRGs there is.

when tonyanjaii was drg he had better gear and out dmged many other melee on gods using SATA Wheeling Thrust instead of spirits within.

secondly, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999% of the people who say that drg suck for something, either have had 1 bad experience with a drg in a slightly similar situation, or someone told them. and honestly, get your own goddamn opinion, don't just use someone elses and claim it as yours. i'm willing to bet that many of the 'drg haters' never even touched the job, or lvled it past lvl 30.

your excuse about "Look at HNM LS rosters, they only have 1-2 drg" is a self generating loop hole. why do most HNM LS only have 1-2 drgs? because HNM LS only have 1-2 drgs. that's what people were 'taught' and that's what they 'believe'.

every job has it's purpose and uses in every aspect of the game. most people that complain, saying drg hit too weak, never incorporate the wyvern into it's owner's dmg. my wyvern hits for about half-2/3rds what i do per hit, and it attacks twice as fast as i do. since it is my pet, it is my dmg. and therefor i'm not doing 110 dmg per round(in exp) i'm doing 220 dmg, while a rng might do 180-190, with a bit faster attack speed.

even if you're given a parser log you're going to find someway to dismiss it so there's no point in it. hell there's not even much point in my making this argument because most of you are close minded and won't even bother to think there might be something to learn.

If a DRG's Wheeling Thrust is outdamaging other melees' WSes, then that says a lot about those other melees. As far as the reason why DRGs are much less viable than other melees in endgame is the exact reason that a lot of their overall damage is tied up in their wyvern. With most HNMs, the wyvern will end up dying to AE damage and the DRG will suddenly lose that key piece of their damage equation. Beyond that, the fact that DRGs were given a weaker WS (most likely due to the fact that their wyvern accounts for some of their overall damage) means that DRGs can't play as important a role in HNM fights as other melees.

The bottom line is this: DRGs are not *useless* in endgame, but there is no reason why a HNMLS would use a DRG over a SAM, a WAR, or a DRK, which is why most HNMLSes only have 1 or 2 if any. DRG just doesn't have a place in FFXI endgame right now, and no matter how much you want to believe that having a wyvern deal some of your damage makes you on par with other melees in endgame, it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't, because HNMLSes don't need wyverns that deal damage, they need melees that can deal the highest WS damage possible. It's just a fact that unless SE changes the way things are, DRG will not be as useful as other jobs in endgame.

wyverns do more then just Dmg they can heal and Cure status effects Of party members sometimes Faster then a rdm or whm can on its own with out the Drg telling it what to do.ive seen it in action By Daahan. thats all i got to say L8rs.

[Zigma]

I wish people would not bash the shit out of drg. It looks like a fun job to level :\

[Darkvalentine]

its Does zig. but there are always drg haters :/.