Can Drg be an Impact job endgame?

[Amarok]

when tonyanjaii was drg he had better gear and out dmged many other melee on gods using SATA Wheeling Thrust instead of spirits within.

First of all, he does NOT have better gear that Liltwin. Second of all, his gear doesn't count because he didn't exactly work for it. :wink:

[Saashaa]

key word, "had".

anyway. you say drg doesn't have a place right now, do you think with your mindset, that that will ever change? do you think it will ever be allowed to change? you say that if the drg is out dmging other melee, then "that says something about the other melee". just because you got out dmged by a drg doesn't mean you suck. i'm talking 900+ dmg vs Genbu. and drg can gain tp faster then pretty much everyone except for rng(can give em a run for their money at times) and sam.

and about wyverns missing 99% of the time, wyverns have higher acc then most players do, you just had it's dmg filtered out so you never saw the text say that it hit.

i've seen many strategies stating that for things like Kirin, and Nidhogg, that after ws you should log out and log back in. why? cause you will build up hate and get everyone killed. well, for a mear time saving factor, drg never have to do that. drgs can use a ws and super jump the hate away and go back to building tp again. hell they can alternate super and high jump.

[Zigma]

Second of all, his gear doesn't count because he didn't exactly work for it. :wink:

rmtony???

[Amarok]

Second of all, his gear doesn't count because he didn't exactly work for it. :wink:

rmtony???

Bingo.

[Amarok]

i've seen many strategies stating that for things like Kirin, and Nidhogg, that after ws you should log out and log back in. why? cause you will build up hate and get everyone killed. well, for a mear time saving factor, drg never have to do that. drgs can use a ws and super jump the hate away and go back to building tp again. hell they can alternate super and high jump.

Until you actually fight the wyrms you won't understand why that is not an option.

[Kuai]

DRG is good in xp parties cause hell anyone with good gear is good in xp parties. with jumps and his awesome gear andarvi out tped me in sky too bad drg and rng cant skillchain for shit though.

[Saashaa]

DRG is good in xp parties cause hell anyone with good gear is good in xp parties. with jumps and his awesome gear andarvi out tped me in sky too bad drg and rng cant skillchain for shit though.

if we could make fragmentation with a 3rd melee, like sam, then we could make light... but if drg has to close, then the dmg won't be up to what everyone wants. i think vorpal thrust closes fragmentation tho...

Second of all, his gear doesn't count because he didn't exactly work for it. :wink:

rmtony???

Bingo.

wether or not he buys gil, idk. and quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me. it's not just gear that makes a player good, it's skill. there are some people out there that could play nin naked and still do a damn good job.

[Zigma]

damn well... he's still a nice guy.

[Liltwin]

DRG just weren't made for End-game NMs IMO. Nothing wrong with DRG though, since i took to 75.

P.S. DRG threads are gay, not stop making threads about them!!!!!!!!!!

[Septimus]

DRG just weren't made for End-game NMs IMO. Nothing wrong with DRG though, since i took to 75.

P.S. DRG threads are gay, not stop making threads about them!!!!!!!!!!

No, that is incorrect.

Most melee jobs were not made for end-game NMs.

[Amarok]

DRG just weren't made for End-game NMs IMO. Nothing wrong with DRG though, since i took to 75.

P.S. DRG threads are gay, not stop making threads about them!!!!!!!!!!

No, that is incorrect.

Most melee jobs were not made for end-game NMs.

Bingo.

[Amarok]

wether or not he buys gil, idk. and quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me. it's not just gear that makes a player good, it's skill. there are some people out there that could play nin naked and still do a damn good job.

RMTing to me is the same as using cheat codes in a game to better oneself. It's a form of cheating, and that is inexcusable if you want to be considered a good player. Making money is part of the game just like everything else, and if you cheat in one part you cheated yourself out of most peoples respect.

[Quicklet]

i'm talking 900+ dmg vs Genbu. and drg can gain tp faster then pretty much everyone except for rng(can give em a run for their money at times) and sam.

Show me a log of a DRG doing a 900+ dmg WS to Genbu and I might be slightly impressed, but I think you're just pulling numbers out of your ass now. Even if it is true though, I probably know why and it doesn't really change what I said about there not really being any well-defined role in endgame HNM fights that DRG can fulfill as well as other jobs can.

[Saashaa]

i'm talking 900+ dmg vs Genbu. and drg can gain tp faster then pretty much everyone except for rng(can give em a run for their money at times) and sam.

Show me a log of a DRG doing a 900+ dmg WS to Genbu and I might be slightly impressed, but I think you're just pulling numbers out of your ass now. Even if it is true though, I probably know why and it doesn't really change what I said about there not really being any well-defined role in endgame HNM fights that DRG can fulfill as well as other jobs can.

this just proves my point about even if i were to show you proof, you still wouldn't care and would dismiss it. and it also proves my point about most people being closed minded

[wow]

you know i think that if a majority of people dont like it its cuz maybe they arent as awesome as you think... now since u are a drg (i think im correct in saying that) you make it out to me a lot better because you have seen good things happen with it before but not all the time or a majority of the time. If the people running HNMLS dont want drg maybe there is a reason for that... if drg was way better and it could do so much more with no hate wouldnt they be more abundant?

[ChOkOmArU]

900 dmg ws on genbu >.> please post screenshot...if you can do that..i will /kneel to you

[Pro]

my first job DRG72 and yea...well, decided to move on to 75RDM...and now am 72NIN...

DRG DMG isn't really anything spectacular, they got raped in the ass, cause yes, WS/Renkei dmg is what anyone/everyone looks for (EXP PT/HNMLS). I haven't touched DRG for a long time, actually I lie, I exp'd with it for shits and laughs. my gear is pretty good for DRG, Assault Jerking/SH Snipers/Dex/STR rings. Popped a sushi, and yea, was being outdmg'd right off the start and WS dmg was depressing...so alt+tab and now my DRG AF resides @ your local AF Storage area, never to be touched again...unless they change wheeling thrust's dmg modifier.

DRG isn't at all "useless", but there are soo many better choices out there, that they are always overlooked~

[Saashaa]

you know i think that if a majority of people dont like it its cuz maybe they arent as awesome as you think... now since u are a drg (i think im correct in saying that) you make it out to me a lot better because you have seen good things happen with it before but not all the time or a majority of the time. If the people running HNMLS dont want drg maybe there is a reason for that... if drg was way better and it could do so much more with no hate wouldnt they be more abundant?

you ever think that because one person at one point in time didn't like drg, and started complaining about it. and newbs heard it and thought that what the person was saying was more then their opinion. then as time goes by, it cascades down, spreading through the populous. noone actually thinking for themselves on the matter, just following the bandwagon. i wonder if it's nice to be a mindless follower, i guess that's what it'd feel like to be in a cult or something. but hey since this game is so full of drg haters, why don't you people petition to have the job deleated? i mean if it sucks so bad, and will always suck no mater what SE does, because you guys say it sucks. then SE should just get rid of it. hmmm i wonder what the next job to suck will be... maybe drk, or smn, oooo or maybe even pld.

[Quicklet]

you ever think that because one person at one point in time didn't like drg, and started complaining about it. and newbs heard it and thought that what the person was saying was more then their opinion. then as time goes by, it cascades down, spreading through the populous. noone actually thinking for themselves on the matter, just following the bandwagon. i wonder if it's nice to be a mindless follower, i guess that's what it'd feel like to be in a cult or something. but hey since this game is so full of drg haters, why don't you people petition to have the job deleated? i mean if it sucks so bad, and will always suck no mater what SE does, because you guys say it sucks. then SE should just get rid of it. hmmm i wonder what the next job to suck will be... maybe drk, or smn, oooo or maybe even pld.

So you're saying that DRG is actually really good, yet just because "someone probably said they suck," no HNMLSes (NA or JP) want them over other jobs.

I think you're confusing people being "DRG haters" with people being realistic about the job's limitations. If SE gave DRG some unique, useful role in endgame, I don't think you'd hear anyone complaining since it'd actually create a reason for using DRG in endgame.

[layoneil]

you ever think that because one person at one point in time didn't like drg, and started complaining about it. and newbs heard it and thought that what the person was saying was more then their opinion. then as time goes by, it cascades down, spreading through the populous. noone actually thinking for themselves on the matter, just following the bandwagon. i wonder if it's nice to be a mindless follower, i guess that's what it'd feel like to be in a cult or something. but hey since this game is so full of drg haters, why don't you people petition to have the job deleated? i mean if it sucks so bad, and will always suck no mater what SE does, because you guys say it sucks. then SE should just get rid of it. hmmm i wonder what the next job to suck will be... maybe drk, or smn, oooo or maybe even pld.

no, that's not possible because there are 30 servers and in each server there's at least 2 communities the Japanese speaking one and the English speakiing one.

it's impossible for that to have happened from one source or for that to happen simultaneously across all 60 communities if it was completely fabricated with no factual basis.

also DRG was a Zilart expansion job, there were many many players who had max level before DRG was even released. this game never had one person on top with a lot of newbies following them. at the core there were communities of people who have experimented this.

/check this

I've been talking with quite a few people over AIM (on other servers) recently about their strategies for different HNM and Dynamis. It's actually quite remarkable the things some people have done, and I'm sure they think the same of the things we do.

Some servers tank Fafnir / Nidhogg with NIN/WAR and/or PLD/NIN all the time. Seraph uses PLD/WAR all the time (exception of TH who uses a PLD/WAR + WAR/PLD tank team). Gods can be tanked by either NINs or PLDs, BtL has done both (depends on god I think), some linkshells use exclusively NIN, others exclusively PLD. Some people kite with WAR, others with NIN, others with PLD.

The concept of a "Stun Orde" varies by linkshells. Some linkshell consider Stun order to be: Every person stuns based on Stun Recast Time / # Stunners. Others consider it to be a name order (BLM #1 > BLM #2 > BLM #3 > BLM#1 > etc.) who take turns at stunning specific moves or at a specific time, rather than every time Stun is Available.

Some linkshells have a lot of high level SMN for damage. Others use strictly RNG damage. Others use strictly BLM Damage. Most use some combination of the three. Some do SATA WS onto the Tanks. Others do SA onto the mob to maximize damage, but logoff more frequently.

Vrtra has been reported to be killed by straight tanking (aka Fafnir-Style with everyone at claws), others report it being killed by kiting. Tiamat is tanked a huge variety of ways, some involving PLD/WAR, PLD/NIN, NIN/WAR, Varying SMN and Aerial Armor Strategies, and much more. I've noticed screenshots where Tiamat is tanked up on top of the hill, others tank him at the base of the hill facing the rock, others tank with it facing towards Xolotl's spawn. There is a huge variance in how these new CoP Wyrms are being defeated.

I just think it's really interesting how there's a large number of different strategies you can use in this game, each one with advantages and disadvantages. In the end, some of these strategies kill the mob quickly, others not so quickly. Some require more concentration and effort, others require a bit of luck but are less stressful.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

with all of those differences, you don't hear of one single HNM LS that encourages it's members to level DRG as a secondary job or actively look to add DRGs to their roster. why?