Petition

[Onizuka]

BTW i just thought that i would say... from my hotel room in osaka i'm get 10ms send and recieve while i get 400+ in texas.


latency is a big, a fucking huge issue

NA Onry server please...

When i got the game i didn't know why they had us both on the same servers..it seemed pretty dumb to me, i like japanese people but i cant talk to them and when i got the game i bought a "New" game not some 2 years old japanese game.

Im saw the game about a year after the release in japan i wanted to get it but i waited for the NA relese.....Whats the point if they where gonna put us in the same room anyway?

It was not fair to the Japanese players and it was not fair to us.

I.e if im playing a game i don't want half of my japanese friends to be removed for some noobs who cant even speak japanese.

i.e if i buy a new game i don't want to play with people that have been playing for 2 years and i have to start form 1 when their at 500...i don't want to have to use auto translate and talk to people for 10min just to find out if they can speak english, i wouldn't want to be 850928509834693846948693869586950-869860-689-876958794587948798456798469784894876879mils from the server im playing on while not only is the A-hole who got the game 2 years b4 me who has 2 years of expiriance and knows everything about the game and the NM we are both camping but he gets to pull the mob 2 hours before i get to see it....

And the simple fact is 70% of japanse(atleast i think so) on FFXI don't want us here... and if America didn't love anime so much we wouldn't want them either, and thats the truth

[Almaa]

I'm hungry

[mdn]

i didn't read all 900000000000000 posts before this, but making everything spawned pops is probably the dumbest idea i've ever heard :l

there are a _lot_ of people that simply give up on a mob if they don't claim it a few times. i've seen a lot of linkshells come and go at nidhogg and kb and turtle camps because they got outpulled 4 or 5 days in a row, but i can personally say that watching the monk in your linkshell chiblast nidhogg and then fighting it and watching an e.body drop is a lot more rewarding than spawning kirin and killing it.

from personal experience i know aratharn puts in ridiculous amounts of hours trying to figure out new strategies to win claims over other linkshells. yeah, m.body is hard to get, but it wouldn't be half as rewarding when you finally get it if it was just another common ass genbu drop

[Zigma]

a lot of japanese see claims pop purple but it's true that the person closest to the server is the person who's going to benefit more.

Square is not going to admit to the problem because it would just stur up problems. They also don't want to spend money on creating servers in north america. Simply put, If you want change, the only way you are going to see change is if you quit the game. We all talk shit about how much this game is unfair when it comes to connectivity but everyday we are logged on for 10hrs+ so unless that changes anytime soon, square won't do anything.

You have to realize that the game we are playing is japanese but by it bieng japanese does not mean we don't play a part in it. If a good majority of the north americans gather together and all agree to cancel their contect ID's (i'm not talking about a couple of hundred, i'm talking about a few thousand.) square will be forced to do something because they would be losing some serious money. Will this ever take place? I seriously don't think so but is it possible, sure.

To those who think I have it easy mainly because my linkshell is japanese then here is a news flash We (yes we) have it just as hard as you. Lemme give you an example. Linkshell A B and C have been camping fafnir for over a week. On he last window, HQ pops and linkshell B dies magically. Out of no where linkshell D comes, has not camped a single day OR a single hour that given day and demand to be put in the /random, wins the random and gets M.Body.

This subject (jp connection vs na connection) has gone on long enough and each time it gets resurrected we all say the same crap. Of course, i am in no position to say anything (you are more then free to talk about it) but it's just my 2 cents about it.

[layoneil]

Square is not going to admit to the problem because it would just stur up problems. They also don't want to spend money on creating servers in north america.

there are ways to "fix" the problem without actually tackling the problem itself. no logical person is expecting them to get servers outside of Japan.

Simply put, If you want change, the only way you are going to see change is if you quit the game. We all talk shit about how much this game is unfair when it comes to connectivity but everyday we are logged on for 10hrs+ so unless that changes anytime soon, square won't do anything.

i may log in everyday for 10 hours but i can guarantee that i don't spend all 10 hours dealing with things that have to do with latency. it's an important part of the game but it's a small part of the game.

you don't quit a LS because there's one person in it you don't like, you don't quit the game because there's one small part of it you don't like. you deal with it however you can and you concentrate on doing the things that you do like or can do.

but dealing with it doesn't mean we can't sit down and complain about it.

To those who think I have it easy mainly because my linkshell is japanese then here is a news flash We (yes we) have it just as hard as you. Lemme give you an example. Linkshell A B and C have been camping fafnir for over a week. On he last window, HQ pops and linkshell B dies magically. Out of no where linkshell D comes, has not camped a single day OR a single hour that given day and demand to be put in the /random, wins the random and gets M.Body.

that issue is due to a lack of content, 3 HQ HNMs for dozens of LS is not enough, the competition between LS is fierce. that is a known issue for everyone and it's accepted that it applies to everybody. no one says any JP LS can get everything they want.

but with that problem, NAs have an added problem with Latency. whatever issues you have, NAs have it and than some. so you will NEVER have it "just as hard". you can have it hard, but as long as Latency exists, NAs will have exactly what you have than have it harder.

"boo hoo, it's snowing outside and i'm cold, feel sorry for me"

"boo hoo, it's snowing outside and i'm cold with no shoes, so stfu"

[Zigma]

i may log in everyday for 10 hours but i can guarantee that i don't spend all 10 hours dealing with things that have to do with latency. it's an important part of the game but it's a small part of the game.

you don't quit a LS because there's one person in it you don't like, you don't quit the game because there's one small part of it you don't like. you deal with it however you can and you concentrate on doing the things that you do like or can do.

but dealing with it doesn't mean we can't sit down and complain about it.

Yes, I do agree it's a small part of the game but it's the part of the game that we are discussing now. That portion of the 10 hrs you spend doing whatever you have to do that that involve that has a lage impact. If it didnt, we would not have threads and conversations like this, don't you agree? Discussing surely enough allowed and I don't disagree with it but after a while it gets repetitive. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh on my part.

that issue is due to a lack of content, 3 HQ HNMs for dozens of LS is not enough, the competition between LS is fierce. that is a known issue for everyone and it's accepted that it applies to everybody. no one says any JP LS can get everything they want.

but with that problem, NAs have an added problem with Latency. whatever issues you have, NAs have it and than some. so you will NEVER have it "just as hard". you can have it hard, but as long as Latency exists, NAs will have exactly what you have than have it harder.

I do agree that the end game content is very small and needs to be expanded but expanding it is only going to help so much. If they add 3 new kings to the already 3 new ones now, in my opinion it's not going to change anything. It's just going to make the rich get richer. You are going to have 1 LS move on to another one after the one they killed is already dead and so on.

Like you said, Latency plays only a small part in this game and with that said, We have it just as hard as you when you compare the issues and realize that it's not just the person who has the fastest connection. If you don't agree, you might wanna check back (maybe you was not in BG) when we camped against you in Aery. We lost the pull 3 times in a row. Who pulled? I believe it was chlistopher (the jp elvaan brd pld nin who is now in reach perfection) There are steps NA's can take to fix the issue that has been plaguing their linkshells for quite some time. North american linkshells are more then capable of recruiting japanese players who have an open mind, hell SB has a jp beastmaster who's one of the coolest people i know, XX has a guy from hong kong with a 10mbit that pings crazy close to the server. Hidden power has their people, BG has edwardtheblack, we have akuby.

"boo hoo, it's snowing outside and i'm cold, feel sorry for me"

"boo hoo, it's snowing outside and i'm cold with no shoes, so stfu"

"aww too bad, go buy some, I know you can."


Sorry if my post seems a bit harsh, I in no way mean for it to be an attack.

[Aratharn]

"boo hoo, it's snowing outside and i'm cold, feel sorry for me"

"boo hoo, it's snowing outside and i'm cold with no shoes, so stfu"

"aww too bad, go buy some, I know you can."

LoL great way to put it

[layoneil]

I do agree that the end game content is very small and needs to be expanded but expanding it is only going to help so much. If they add 3 new kings to the already 3 new ones now, in my opinion it's not going to change anything. It's just going to make the rich get richer. You are going to have 1 LS move on to another one after the one they killed is already dead and so on.

if they put Abjs in the KS99 fights, if they put another set of HNMs in Sea, if they put Alliance ENMs in every BC in the game all on different timers and put respectable drops in all of these things, all of that will alleviate the problem and help people forget about Latency.

SE is not limited in adding more and more of the same. 21-24 hour HNM pop w/ an HQ element is not the only way to do things and not the only thing people are interested in doing. adding 3 won't be enough, than add 30. i can't see enough HNM LS camping all of the windows all the time. if at any given hour in the day, the window for 5 HNMs are open, that will also erase the issue.

and by 5 HNMs i mean 5 HNMs that are Fafnir/Nidhogg/Aspid/KB in difficulty. not HNMs like Serket/Cassie that 2-3 people can kill.

i hope they don't raise the level cap pass 75 for another 5 years. i don't want to see a single LS camp Nidhogg w/ 5 people while at the same time camping Aspid w/ two Lv 90 BLMs.

when we camped against you in Aery. We lost the pull 3 times in a row. Who pulled? I believe it was chlistopher (the jp elvaan brd pld nin who is now in reach perfection) There are steps NA's can take to fix the issue that has been plaguing their linkshells for quite some time. North american linkshells are more then capable of recruiting japanese players who have an open mind, hell SB has a jp beastmaster who's one of the coolest people i know, PO has a guy from hong kong with a 10mbit that pings crazy close to the server. Hidden power has their people, BG has edwardtheblack, we have akuby.

Recruiting JP players is not steps NA players can take.

that's like saying the steps for an ugly guy to not be ugly is to date a hot girl. yes, it certainly helps for self-esteem and bragging rights and whatever but that doesn't make the issue go away, when you look at him the guy is still ugly.

and it's not exactly easy to get hot girls as a ugly guy or get JP players as an NA LS.

"aww too bad, go buy some, I know you can."

if there's a way to buy a comparable latency to FTTH players in Japan, i'd do it. too bad they don't sell those around here.

[Aratharn]

if SE makes the game easier for me cause I can't win pulls all of that will alleviate my problems and help people stop crying about Latency.

[layoneil]

if SE makes the game easier for me cause I can't win pulls all of that will alleviate my problems and help people stop crying about Latency.

so you don't want Abjs to drop in KS99?

you don't want more ENMs that are difficult that require Alliances?

you don't want HNMs in Sea?

you think it would be bad for the game if we had 30+ HNMs that are difficult for an alliance of max level players?

none of that makes the game easier, it gives people more things to do than:
/sea dragonaery
242364287 people in the zone.

what do you want?

[Hirronimus]

Recruiting JP players is not steps NA players can take. That's like saying the steps for an ugly guy to not be ugly is to date a hot girl. yes, it certainly helps for self-esteem and bragging rights and whatever but that doesn't make the issue go away, when you look at him the guy is still ugly.

Japanese players are all hot girls. God damn, I fucking knew it. No wonder they don't like us. They're all hotties wearing loose socks. It's sucks being fugly. T_T

[Aratharn]

The fact that 1 HNM that spawns once per week drops each of the "great" end-game armor makes the game "difficult". Adding those Abj to drop from other means makes it "easier".

And yes I want more HNM's, yes I want HNM in sea, it's the reason I got started on CoP and have sea access. But I just am being patient and let SE do their thing.

It's their game that I play, so I play their way. They obviously wanted the best armor to be difficult to acquire, mission accomplished. Sure there are things they could do to improve, and I'm very interested to see where they go with the CoP expansion, and what they put in sea.

The way I see it:

3hour camps for HNM to get great gear = Ground kings
Don't like that? Go to sky kill trigger items and pop gods for great gear = Tu'Lia
Instances that you control who participates in and get great gear = Dynamis / KS99 (- the great gear part -_-)

I like the balance. Sure the ground HNM aren't even difficult anymore, but that's cause they been out so long, you guys complain about you want it to be about how skilled your LS is and not how good your connection is = CoP Wyrms... but wait - yet again there is something to complain about - I see complaints about they don't think you should need 30+ people to kill something since alliances are based around 18 people. You wanted something harder, you got it. BRD JSE is great drop, send your LS to Vrtra to test your skills.

[Dethsbane]

Same story, different day.

Bottom line is, you need to work for what you get so that what you get is special when you get it. Sure, everyone and their baby mommas are running around in Koeniq Bodies and Dalmatica's but when your LS finally gets claim and get the drop, it makes those 9 months of losing pulls finally worth it. Have you explored every aspect of pulling and how you can possibly cut down the lag? Thats the work people like Aratharn and other do to compete. We think and we explore. Recruiting JPs is just another method someone came up with. Fight fire with fire, yes?

There will always be whiners. If we were to ??? pop the 3 kings, you'll have people whining about how JPs/Gilsellers are stealing your pop because they have low latency. From what I hear, stealing Kirin is a daily thing on some servers so this would be the same case, no? Lets put that aside. Even if no one were to come steal your pops and your whole LS gets the pimp gear, what then? Everyone sits around twidling their thumbs. Whats the fun in that? There needs to be some competition to spice up the game. Thats why there's even a "Big Kills" link. To measure our E-penises.

I'm sorry to tell you, the petition will get you no where. Whining will get you no where. Here's a straw. Suck it up. If this game is that hard for you to play, there's always WoW. Instances are right up your alley. No competition, drops for everyone. /cheers all around. Maybe that will work. If enough people quit the game maybe SE would be willing to compromise. Go get started!

/shutdown
/uninstall FFXI & Playonline

p.s. I was there when for the duration of the 8 hour holding of Behemoth. We put it in our time and effort and was lucky enough to claim KB two days later. 8 fucking hours of staring at the same crazy purple dog and shitty snowy walls. Thats dedication.

[layoneil]

The fact that 1 HNM that spawns once per week drops each of the "great" end-game armor makes the game "difficult". Adding those Abj to drop from other means makes it "easier".

that's a very false sense of difficulty, you should really stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

the difficulty is backwards in that it's not related to skill, there are some rather crappy JP PLDs who have a much higher chance at getting full Koenig than the more skilled NAs.

there are a few NAs on the server now w/ Black Belts and they are almost all pretty much RMTed. putting those in the KS99 didn't really break that item imo. 99 KS doesn't come once a week.

you guys complain about you want it to be about how skilled your LS is and not how good your connection is = CoP Wyrms... but wait - yet again there is something to complain about - I see complaints about they don't think you should need 30+ people to kill something since alliances are based around 18 people. You wanted something harder, you got it. BRD JSE is great drop, send your LS to Vrtra to test your skills.

BRD JSE body is nice, but Dalmatica is definitely comparable if not better.

Barone Body is nice but how many people really care?

Tiamat is the really good one that actually has a few decent drops but overall, the challenge of those fights are great but the loot pools doesn't compare.

it takes twice as many people to kill those as it does Nidhogg or King Behemoth and the drops are not twice as good.

Jormungand having worse drops than Fafnir the NQ pop is wrong in many many ways.

the loot pool for those Wyrms are weak when compared to the effort it takes to kill them. requiring a lot of people in itself is not a bad thing but when you have more people spending their time, they should get more in return.

SE has a problem understanding balance. Speed Belt, Peacock Charm, Kraken Club, good stuff dropping off weak mobs and strong mobs dropping medicore stuff, that's not how most games are built. i really wonder why FFXI is this way.

I'm sorry to tell you, the petition will get you no where. Whining will get you no where. Here's a straw. Suck it up. If this game is that hard for you to play, there's always WoW. Instances are right up your alley. No competition, drops for everyone. /cheers all around. Maybe that will work. If enough people quit the game maybe SE would be willing to compromise. Go get started!

/shutdown
/uninstall FFXI & Playonline

makes you wonder if it was whining that caused the XP grind to 75 to drop by 123k XP. cause people definitely did whine about it. than it makes you wonder if whining really is useless or not.

and quit telling people to quit the game, one problem doesn't break the whole game.

p.s. I was there when for the duration of the 8 hour holding of Behemoth. We put it in our time and effort and was lucky enough to claim KB two days later. 8 fucking hours of staring at the same crazy purple dog and shitty snowy walls. Thats dedication.

on Bahamut that's also playing dirty. in some nations it's still acceptable to beat your kids, in others it's not. not all kinds of dedication is acceptable every where.

and read your own statement over again.
- "We put it in our time and effort"
- "and was lucky"

so which one is it really? a little bit of both? which one played a bigger part?

[Aratharn]

Without the effort, the chance to get lucky never exists. Why don't you understand that? The more effort you put in the more chances to get lucky.

BRD JSE body is nice, but Dalmatica is definitely comparable if not better.

Barone Body is nice but how many people really care?

Tiamat is the really good one that actually has a few decent drops but overall, the challenge of those fights are great but the loot pools doesn't compare.

it takes twice as many people to kill those as it does Nidhogg or King Behemoth and the drops are not twice as good.

Jormungand having worse drops than Fafnir the NQ pop is wrong in many many ways.

the loot pool for those Wyrms are weak when compared to the effort it takes to kill them. requiring a lot of people in itself is not a bad thing but when you have more people spending their time, they should get more in return.

SE has a problem understanding balance. Speed Belt, Peacock Charm, Kraken Club, good stuff dropping off weak mobs and strong mobs dropping medicore stuff, that's not how most games are built. i really wonder why FFXI is this way.

Oh right, I forgot this game was all about drops. I now see why you think the way you do.

[Dethsbane]

I'm sorry to tell you, the petition will get you no where. Whining will get you no where. Here's a straw. Suck it up. If this game is that hard for you to play, there's always WoW. Instances are right up your alley. No competition, drops for everyone. /cheers all around. Maybe that will work. If enough people quit the game maybe SE would be willing to compromise. Go get started!

/shutdown
/uninstall FFXI & Playonline

makes you wonder if it was whining that caused the XP grind to 75 to drop by 123k XP. cause people definitely did whine about it. than it makes you wonder if whining really is useless or not.

and quit telling people to quit the game, one problem doesn't break the whole game.

p.s. I was there when for the duration of the 8 hour holding of Behemoth. We put it in our time and effort and was lucky enough to claim KB two days later. 8 fucking hours of staring at the same crazy purple dog and shitty snowy walls. Thats dedication.

on Bahamut that's also playing dirty. in some nations it's still acceptable to beat your kids, in others it's not. not all kinds of dedication is acceptable every where.

and read your own statement over again.
- "We put it in our time and effort"
- "and was lucky"

so which one is it really? a little bit of both? which one played a bigger part?

One person doesn't brek the game but if enough people are pissed enough to sign a petition, then perhaps they'd be more prompt to quit as well? I'm sure thousands have left to follow the Sirens' calls of WoW, wooing them with easy game play, more leaving maybe what will get them to do something.

In addition, yes it is playing dirty. We watched the JPs do it with their Warp Cudgels and Relic weapons, we return the favor. Just so happens NA GMs are eunichs and suck the big JP tool and throw us in jail (but we worked around that!). We fight fire with fire. As for beating your kids... yeh I come from a family where discipline makes you grow up straight. Unfortunately its not really accepted here in American society eh? Wait, I remember back when I was in Catholic school when the nuns would beat bad kids with a wooden ruler (as per the authorization of the parents!). Now people are afraid to touch their kids and they grow up to be pussies, do drugs and get in trouble (a generalization). Save your kids from a ass beating in JAIL, beat them while they're young and set them straight. There's a fine line between discipline and abuse, just don't cross it and you'll be set.

As for the statement where I said we put in the time and effort, yes we indeed put in our time and effort to successfully put KB in our time to give us an opportunity to claim KB. The luck part came in when we won pull against 3-4 NA LSs and JPs. Without attempting to put it in our time, then we can't say we tried everything. Makes sense now?

[layoneil]

Without the effort, the chance to get lucky never exists. Why don't you understand that? The more effort you put in the more chances to get lucky.

yes, it's both but way too often luck plays too much of a factor whether you like it or not. and it's a flaw in the game design that's 100% possible to change. Why don't you understand that?

Oh right, I forgot this game was all about drops. I now see why you think the way you do.

definitely, having gotten full AF2 for more than 2 months and still attending every Dynamis event with no second job to lot on anything.

watching a Dynamis LS go to Xarcabard w/ 50+ people and dwindling by 3-4 members each run down to 20 something people without enough manpower to go into Xarcabard.

having friends that you personally recruit into the LS get their Xarcabard AF2 and watch them never show up again after that.

yeah, it's definitely me who's all about drops.

unfortunately, drops motivate people. it's good that there are dozens and dozens of selfless people on your server but it's just not like that on mine.

In addition, yes it is playing dirty. We wait the JPs do it with their Warp Cudgels and Relic weapons, we return the favor. Just so happens NA GMs are eunichs and suck the big JP tool and throw us in jail (but we worked around that!). We fight fire with fire.

i wish the JPs would be so blatant about this on Bahamut but they are not. the very top ones are more civil than the ones on Midgar. there is no fire to fight here.

[Nirokun!]

Goodness, where is Septimus? He's late with his big "DRAMA" banner

[Zigma]

Goodness, where is Septimus? He's late with his big "DRAMA" banner

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[Hirronimus]

Don't think this thread is about drama. I see a discussion happening here, which is more civil than some other "flame" threads. I personally enjoy reading people's opinions. More people just need to post here and discuss. <_<