Petition

[Demetrick]

Now people are afraid to touch their kids and they grow up to be pussies, do drugs and get in trouble (not a generalization). Save your kids from a ass beating in JAIL, beat them while they're young and set them straight.

fix 4 u

[Hirronimus]

Stay on Target!
Stay on Target!
erm, I mean...
Stay on Topic!

[Dethsbane]

heh heh I added that in because people always say I'm stereotyping or generalizing too much. I'm glad you things my way ^_^.

[Demetrick]

heh heh I added that in because people always say I'm stereotyping or generalizing too much. I'm glad you things my way ^_^.

I liked it


Lol post edited forgot no pr0n of any sorts cuz its not FFXI talk.

i ph34r kuno

[Not Kuno]

omfg ban'd

[Septimus]

Goodness, where is Septimus? He's late with his big "DRAMA" banner

Sorry, I slept in a little.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...mus/Drama2.jpg

Or should I use the classic instead?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...imus/drama.gif

[berticus]

in spite of the gayness of claiming, frankly I think an LS can progress just as much or more by completely forgetting the 3 kings and focusing on stuff in which you can always progress.

you have a lot of holes if you don't camp them, some completely patchable(wyrmal mask->af2 head), some partially(dalmatica->verm), and some not at all(defending ring). then again, you don't get those things even if you do camp it (in some servers' LS' cases)

getting people to do it is another story. liek bikwin said yesterday,
"afking for 3 hours -> making an effort for 3 hours" speaking of nidhogg vs dynamis, when only 17 people came.

[Aratharn]

Don't think this thread is about drama. I see a discussion happening here, which is more civil than some other "flame" threads. I personally enjoy reading people's opinions.

Agreed.

[arlania]

I have to say im glad to see people discussing this and not just flaming each other unlike the KI forums where there seems to be a lack of IQ . Part of the reason I started this petition was just to see how many people felt the same way and how many people didnt. Dispite what some think we DO have a say in what goes into FFXI. We are the consumers and w/o us they have no buisness. Perhaps force spawning is not the only answer but dont just shoot it down without coming up with another please. Its easier to just slam someone for their idea but its better to try to further that idea.

[Aratharn]

in spite of the gayness of claiming, frankly I think an LS can progress just as much or more by completely forgetting the 3 kings and focusing on stuff in which you can always progress.

you have a lot of holes if you don't camp them, some completely patchable(wyrmal mask->af2 head), some partially(dalmatica->verm), and some not at all(defending ring). then again, you don't get those things even if you do camp it (in some servers' LS' cases)

This is sorta what I was trying to point out. There are other options to participate in / earn end-game armor. Also this gear is by no means required to be able to do certain things. Example, you don't need a PLD in full Koenig and Defending ring to tank Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, etc~

And why is this so overlooked? Cause it's easier to get. There's no "competition" per se (unless you go on public Dynamis runs, where the only competition is out-lotting)

definitely, having gotten full AF2 for more than 2 months and still attending every Dynamis event with no second job to lot on anything.

watching a Dynamis LS go to Xarcabard w/ 50+ people and dwindling by 3-4 members each run down to 20 something people without enough manpower to go into Xarcabard.

having friends that you personally recruit into the LS get their Xarcabard AF2 and watch them never show up again after that.

yeah, it's definitely me who's all about drops.

unfortunately, drops motivate people.

Exactly, so if they made A. Body drop from KS99, Aspid, Nidhogg, Genbu, and alliance ENM as well as all the other king Abj you'd see more of this. People gettin what they want then quitting. Why? Cause what is there left to do. You said it yourself, drops motivate people - so if everyone can get their drops quicker, there goes the motivation to keep playing.

I'll use an example from people in an LS on my server. There is a PLD who has full Koenig yet still attends every camp, why? To help his friends get what they want, since they helped him get what he wants. From the same LS there was someone who attended camps constantly until his M. Abj: Body drop, now you never see him in-game.

Sadly not everyone plays for their friends, most play for themselves.

[Avvesione]

Sadly not everyone plays for their friends, most play for themselves.

Maybe you should've been a Mithra. :wink:

[Aratharn]

I have to say im glad to see people discussing this and not just flaming each other unlike the KI forums where there seems to be a lack of IQ . Part of the reason I started this petition was just to see how many people felt the same way and how many people didnt. Dispite what some think we DO have a say in what goes into FFXI. We are the consumers and w/o us they have no buisness. Perhaps force spawning is not the only answer but dont just shoot it down without coming up with another please. Its easier to just slam someone for their idea but its better to try to further that idea.

Likewise, don't insult us and say we're "lacking IQ" just because we don't agree with you. We're entitled to our opinion just as much as you. You want things to be, in our eyes, easier. We don't.

To "further" your idea, I say be patient and see what they do with CoP and sea. Or rather than puttin so much time complaining, translate that time into doing something productive about the matter. (waiting for the "OH LIKE WHAT - FLY TO JAPAN" replies)

[layoneil]

This is sorta what I was trying to point out. There are other options to participate in / earn end-game armor. Also this gear is by no means required to be able to do certain things. Example, you don't need a PLD in full Koenig and Defending ring to tank Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, etc~

And why is this so overlooked? Cause it's easier to get. There's no "competition" per se (unless you go on public Dynamis runs, where the only competition is out-lotting)

To "further" your idea, I say be patient and see what they do with CoP and sea. Or rather than puttin so much time complaining, translate that time into doing something productive about the matter.

there are other options and they are not avoided.

Dynamis is done or tried to be done twice a week, ENMs are being done weekly, all missions have been done, hundreds of quests mostly with crappy rewards have been done. even doing all of those things there's still time leftover.

it's not like all of the people who complain or think the system is wrong is sitting around not doing anything.

some are like that but others are doing everything and there's still more to be desired.

i have a Verm and it's doing it's job, when i'm actually in game, i pretty much pretend that the Dalmatica doesn't even exist.

when i'm in game, i'm always trying to find something productive to do, leveling subjobs, second jobs, making gil, etc, etc... but all that productivity doesn't get any closer to making a Verm into a Dalmatica.

Exactly, so if they made A. Body drop from KS99, Aspid, Nidhogg, Genbu, and alliance ENM as well as all the other king Abj you'd see more of this. People gettin what they want then quitting. Why? Cause what is there left to do. You said it yourself, drops motivate people - so if everyone can get their drops quicker, there goes the motivation to keep playing.

I'll use an example from people in an LS on my server. There is a PLD who has full Koenig yet still attends every camp, why? To help his friends get what they want, since they helped him get what he wants. From the same LS there was someone who attended camps constantly until his M. Abj: Body drop, now you never see him in-game.

Sadly not everyone plays for their friends, most play for themselves.

which imo is not such a bad thing, let all those people get as much as they want and let them quit the game. the community will end up a little better with them out of the way.

[Nermal]

One thing to remember is all servers are different. I know of some servers where JPs don't perma camp all the ground HNMs. There are some where people random before the HNM even pops. Unfortunetly not all servers are the same, some people face much tougher odds then others.

[layoneil]

There are some where people random before the HNM even pops.

i'd love for that to be implemented and i've never heard of a server where it's like that.

[berticus]

the random thing is how it was done in some places on EQ. very civil and fair imo, but why would you agree to it if you could just win claim every time instead? wish it wasn't that way

[Aratharn]

which imo is not such a bad thing, let all those people get as much as they want and let them quit the game. the community will end up a little better with them out of the way.

hehe I can agree to that

[Fira]

we random sometimes if some one wipes to a mob ;3 allthough theres a immature ls that doesnt like to stick to things like that on bismarck

[Fira]

the random thing is how it was done in some places on EQ. very civil and fair imo, but why would you agree to it if you could just win claim every time instead? wish it wasn't that way

I don't totally agree with that ;3 Have had alot of friends who quit because they had done everything and got everything there was.... Mostly due to lack of new content. But they were some of the most skilled people on Bismarck at there jobs. Shit I don't know anyone better heh. :\

[OMFG]

i think another idea would be making the HNMs spawn in whole zones and not just specific places. ie. make behemoth have a much larger spawn area. and aspid can spawn anywhere in VoS