PLD and NIN (this is going to get ugly, but anyway...)

[Innes]

My ls is just now starting to use nin/war and war/nin for almost everything and Im noticing the real potential that ninja has. I usually tank fafnir and nidhogg with no problem which hasnt been done on this server by anyone else because pandemonium is so behind the times, as well as tiamat which we are getting used to. Most of the times im only using 2 arhats+1 and misc items to hold hate and can easily get back with 3. With the right stratagy and group of people nin can easily outtank pld and likewise with nin. Also.. dragons have ass for accuracy so even without evasion gear you will end up evading.

Most people beleive that there are certain things that pld can tank and certain things that nin can tank but really any of the two can do just about anything in the game.

[Aromas]

Apathy has done it on remora. well apathy did do it, ls is dead now.

Tanked Tiamat jorm fafnir and HQfaf with ninjas :X

[Innes]

For about a year we have used strictly pld only on faf/nid and most gods untill we started bitching about how we could tank better and we did. But we are still working out our wyrm stratagies trying to get out the kinks >_<; but we will probably use nin because it fits our ls setup but damaging is another story, took us 4hours to bring tiamat to @5%.
The only concern of ninja tanking dragons is after a death its a struggle to develop equal hate to the other tank while pld can ballance out in less than a minute. But practice makes perfect~

[Zetah]

What were you doing for damage to Tiamat?

SMN BP70 (Leviathan onry), TA WS from fighting adds from melee (SAM, DRK, THF) should be enough to bring it down.

[Aromas]

try using 2 nin/war and a pld/nin for when it flys pld/nin so he dont take to much hate, but if hes really good eventually he will have enuff to share with ninja perfectly. use covers when it fly on whoever has hate so he dont die and your home free ^^

[Twolves]

A great nin and a great paladin work well together. In my old ls i used to have to end up solo tanking tiamat most of the time because the other nins couldnt keep up in hate. When i joined PO and started tanking with paladins everything got so much easier cause of sharing hate so nobody dies.

Paladin gets more hate then nin/war just paladin lose hate when they get hit so its pretty easy to keep up in hate with them.

My biggest problem with NIN is we have low base hp. As elvaan with max merit hp i only have 1306 base hp. That new food pescatora puts me at about 1650-1700 in tanking gear so its not as bad anymore.

[Zetah]

The thing that bothers me is that a good NIN or a good pair of NINs sharing hate is usually much better than a good PLD or a good pair of PLDs sharing hate. It doesn't take much for mages to get used to dual ninja in arhat's+1 tanking, not very difficult with PLDs either although there is more healing involved and maybe sometimes mages will be slower as to when to cure tank A or tank B even thoug hate's on tank B while they're curing A. I suppose my worries are to be put to rest though, since I'm sure there will be situations where I just won't have another NIN to bounce hate with with identical gear and skill.

Bouncing hate with NIN and PLD is very difficult, how do you manage to do it Twolves? I was playing around with Genbu in sky and I'd play easy on hate when a nin tanked it, but I wouldn't be pulling hate off until I decided to use a flash or ja and then hold back for a bit and then continue. Just a little test I was doing without anyone really being able to notice, no one's really able to notice.

[Twolves]

Stack enmity and spam hojo,jubaku,and kurayami. I have up to +33 enmity(counting merits) when i want to regain hate. When i tank with a pld i have +24-27 enmity so keeping hate really isnt that big of a problem. Using provoke and warcry everytime its up is a very easy way to pull a lot of hate.

[Zigma]

as a tarutaru nin, i have over 1500 HP :3

holy ballz how? I'm hume and just push 1200.

I did hold Byakko for awhile with Arhats+1 Body, Arhat headgear, Terra staff, jelly ring + taco, think he hit me for 150's.

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[Zetah]

Stack enmity and spam hojo,jubaku,and kurayami. I have up to +33 enmity(counting merits) when i want to regain hate.

What about after they already stuck...does it still give hate?

[Twolves]

Stack enmity and spam hojo,jubaku,and kurayami. I have up to +33 enmity(counting merits) when i want to regain hate.

What about after they already stuck...does it still give hate?

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Yup.

[Zetah]

Oh my. This I did NOT know...

The same applies for RDM or BLM spamming an enfeeble, right?

[Innes]

Yeah all nin debuffs and elementals give good hate even if they dont land which becomes a real problem with Elegy on brds. In the case of our doing tiamat, we did exactly as you said with pld/nin taking hate and covering while it was flying but in the end its frenzy was a bit more than we expected and we were slowly falling. When one person would die and the other remain alive we had to swap in another nin but the other nin couldnt get enough hate before the main tank would die and have that process get repeated for about an hour. We died because of consecutive Tebbad wing, Inferno blast, and then touchdown to finish the job. But we arent a very large ls and only had about 26 people there so maybe next time will be a win and the first NA to bring down wyrms on our server.
But a question I have is if spamming ninjutsu debuffs will it gain a resistance to the ninjutsu or the mage spell at all, my guess is yes but never looked into it.

[Raineer]

Oh my. This I did NOT know...

The same applies for RDM or BLM spamming an enfeeble, right?

I was going to say no until I remember spamming Dispel (even though it has no effect) will pull hate easily. Dispel is high-enough hate that I can usually tank and hold hate in skillup parties as RDM/NIN just fine. Utsusemi + an occasionally Dispel will piss anything off.

[hammy]

madden and rudo were pretty damn good too on bismarck ;3

[arnolectz]

I have paladin and ninja to 75 and let me tell you, they are both totally useless if you're in BG/on bahamut.

[tiberion02]

We like to tank Nidhogg with Bst/nin.....not kidding either.

[Zetah]

I have paladin and ninja to 75 and let me tell you, they are both totally useless if you're in BG/on bahamut.

lololol, tank overload right?

Well as it stands, Esoteric has a lot of active plds but very little ninjas (2, and only one has arhat's+1 and uber gear and stuff like Corse Cape and Sniper's+1 -- She was in a JP LS NewCompany).

[Disfunctional]

NIN and PLD can both work perfect.

I never was impressed with NIN cause they could never keep up in hate with me, that was until Twolves joined our LS. He's by far the most talented NIN I've ever seen.

If properly equipped and most importantly, properly skilled - PLD and NIN can both be equally as great.

All im gonna say ara is look at the example you had to go on before KG... No n eed to mention names. But you know as to whom im refering to.

[Aratharn]

NIN and PLD can both work perfect.

I never was impressed with NIN cause they could never keep up in hate with me, that was until Twolves joined our LS. He's by far the most talented NIN I've ever seen.

If properly equipped and most importantly, properly skilled - PLD and NIN can both be equally as great.

All im gonna say ara is look at the example you had to go on before KG... No n eed to mention names. But you know as to whom im refering to.

loooooooooool exactly

But not to take anything away from KG cause he's amazing, anyone will argue he's the best NA NIN on the server.