Gilsellers in Dynamis

[Daahan]

Comparing with RL is ok, but comparing murderers and gilsellers is way outta proportion

[Arwyn]

i apologize for all the deleted posts. they all contributed to what i thought was a "friendly" debate of opinions and views with Makochin. But he proved that he was not capable by resorting to insults so I have retracted my part.

[Scunsion]

18 pages.

I'm not reading this.

[Makochin]

well, i can't help it if I find your posts retarded, they really are. As for you going off into tangents, I was referring to when you said something about what if the person's real job is gilselling, or that you are helping the gilsellers by buying items that may be sold by a gilsellers. Perhaps I should state myself a bit better, they aren't totally unrelated, they just aren't logical, hence i find them retarded. Take the ah buying thing for example, what do you suppose we do about that? You are turning something really simple and making it complex and trying to twist the fact that what fantajii did was flat out wrong.

I'll try my best to stop posting in this thread. One more hour until I get off work. Arwyn, if you find that I have a low mentality or whatnot, it's fine, it doesn't really bother me. I'm not the kind of person that would go off and start throwing profanity at people, retarded is about the furthest I would go, sorry if that disappoints you. Anyway, I've said everything I wanted to say, arguing with arwyn really isn't my intention when I entered this thread. She's entitle to her opinion.

[Arwyn]

no comment. its just sad.

dont read scun!! hehe. its not fun. pretty much, gilseller bad, RMT bad. yep yep ^^

[Dayooper]

well, i can't help it if I find your posts retarded, they really are. As for you going off into tangents, I was referring to when you said something about what if the person's real job is gilselling, or that you are helping the gilsellers by buying items that may be sold by a gilsellers. Perhaps I should state myself a bit better, they aren't totally unrelated, they just aren't logical, hence i find them retarded. Take the ah buying thing for example, what do you suppose we do about that? You are turning something really simple and making it complex and trying to twist the fact that what fantajii did was flat out wrong.

Well I guess if everyone feels the same you might as well toss your friends list. Because one time or another *not everyone* has sold gil to pay for their monthly fee and for other reasons. which makes them a gilseller And one time or another has bought gil. which makes them a gilbuyer So dont' go back on the point you are trying to stress and just blist and get rid of all your friends. Not just you but everyone and the issue will be fixed once and for all The only difference between Fantajii and everyone else is people have the so called Chinese OMG gilseller OMG as an easier target then pointing fingers at their friends and fellow LS mates. Well i'm taking tomorrow off from game so no new posts from me. I know I know I'll save you the effort HURRAY :D :D :D

[Twinyooper]

they've never done dynamis before. You guys are letting them learn your dynamis strategies which will allow them to do their own dynamis in the future. The fact that you guys are letting them experience dynamis is already helping them, whether or not they get af2 this time is not important.

Its sad that you say that.. There are about 4 sites that have all this info * including BG's forums* that lists strategys to fight Dynamis. All that info that all of you have posted is helping gil sellers GASP!!!!!!!. I CANT BELIEVE YOU DID THAT! Poor reason to blame us.

[Twinyooper]

Don't go trying to make up some BS to make me or my LS look bad just because you and your LS dislike us. Your diaper is wet now, go change it.

I'm sure your LS leader thought that associating you guys with gilsellers will not make your LS look bad, but some random person's bs will ruin your ls's reputation.

There is no leader in fantajii. Please learn facts before you try to make a comment.

[Twinyooper]

I think that person said getting gilbuyers good gear wouldn't increase RMT, not making it less. If person A buys gil and you give him ex items, it doesn't make him buy more or less gil. But if person B is a gilseller, and you help him become a better player, that person is now capable of selling more gil, hence increase RMT. Theres a difference here. The fact that there are people trying to stop RMT, and there are people who are helping people RMT is making this thread go on and on. Not because whether or not gilsellers have anything to do with inflation. It's just it's common sense for most people that we shouldn't help gilsellers, and here we are having some people arguing otherwise.

I didnt know of any gear that helps claim mobs faster or better then anyone else.... And if you hate the fact that sunboy wanted to go have fun rather then make gil then I really dont know why you are upset. They didnt get any gear and wont get any gear.
Why can't your ls help your members get those * must have items* so they dont have to buy the gil to begin with.

Ok I'm sorry if that sounded like it was an attack at your ls. By no means am I saying that your ls is the reason their are RMT.

[Elcura]

Holy shit, this topic grew 9 pages by the time I got to college... can someone summerize please.

Like Scunsion said:

18 pages.

I'm not reading this.

[Arwyn]

i summarized it for Scun!! u didnt see... ; ;

ulmega hates me cuz im taru... ; ;

[aurik]

Fantaji thinks it's ok to bring gilsellers into dynamis because "they didn't get anything (tangible) out of it"

Also, these gil sellers don't sell gil. Anymore. They think. And who is to say they ever sold gil in the first place?

You must be RMT as well, and so are all your friends, so who are you to accuse them?

(Sounds like desperate defenses to me.)

[Elcura]

i summarized it for Scun!! u didnt see... ; ;

ulmega hates me cuz im taru... ; ;

I didn't see it XD I scrolled down to scuns post and thought

also

<3 Arwyn, Grape-Tarutaru.

Edit: In anycase, I think all that needed (and was not needed) was said already, no point dragging it on... I don't agree with taking Gil-sellers into Dynamis, but like Arwyn said, what harm can it do. I've changed my point of view a little.

[Twinyooper]

actually it would. giving gilbuyers better gear doesn't make them buy more gil. Giving gilsellers better gear help them sell more gil, theres a difference here.

i think the views are somewhat skewed. true, maybe on day ALL the gilsellers will band together and make a dynamis and make gil. SELLING of the gil isnt what increases RMT. its the other way around. RMT is what is increasing the GIL SELLING.

There is nothing that we can do to stop people from buying gil. What we can do is to stop bringing gilsellers to dynamis. It's just how much of an effect you can have on the RMT problem. Just because you can't stop it, doesn't mean you should help it.

Got to be blind, once again, as in many posts before this... they wont make gil from dynamis. There is no gear that will actually help them claim faster. They were in dynamis and recieved nothing. They spent 3+ hrs NOT CAMPING and making gil. Moggy even did the math and said its what 5k an hr|? Who in their right mind would go to dynamis to make gil. Gear doesnt make the claim. Gear doesnt save you if you suck at your jobs. Fantajii took them along because it benefitted us. Not them. You should actually be proud of us.... we one upped them .
For once an LS took advantage of a so called * gil selling * LS. I think all of you are jealous in a way because we didnt have to pay a ridiculous amount of gil or buy gil to get what we wanted from so called * gil sellers*. Sunboy didnt benefit at all from going to Dynamis. They went to have fun. Ask them why they went. Maybe if you spent the same amount of time that you did on these forums flaming others and spent more time getting to know these people before you gave them these titles, things wouldnt be so bad. How many people get called gil sellers or buyers because they spent 100's of hrs mining, crafting, farming and or got lucky with some claims and had alot of gil? I have. Would you know that i spent 2 months mining nonstop ? No. why ? Ignorence. Gil sellers wouldnt have a job if gil buyers didnt buy the gil. The buyers wouldnt buy the gil if the gil wasnt for sale. Seems there are 2 sides to this story. But all I hear you talk about is the one side.. Is it because YOU bought gil ? Not for me to say. I dont know the facts and wont make the accusation. Maybe more of the people who are flaming on this thread should do the same.

[Zigma]

its like saying which came first the chicken or the egg

[Janice]

How do you know gilsellers won't start running a dynamis service. Get 50 to go and then charge extra people at a chance at getting AF? If a gil buyer doesn't care about a million or so (very cheap now), they might be willing to spend it at a chance of something they will never get otherwise. Dynamis could pay off for gilsellers (doubt it, but you never know)

[Twinyooper]

oh hehe. i know ^^ i was responding to Mako and after i posted, I saw Blaks ^^

sorry Blak if you thought even for a second that post was directed in your direction ^^


(to mako) spare me the insults that consist of..."retard?" im sorry...i suppose you'll be calling me "stupid" or "a doo doo head" any minute now? if you plan on insulting me, do it with some slight sign of sophistication rather than small obviously desperate jabs to compensate for the mentally lacking posts you did earlier.

oh and if you didnt notice. I was attempting to have a debate with you. but you resorted to name-calling which takes it a bit farther than a debate no? If someone brings up a point that goes against yours, you shouldn't feel the need to insult them. Rather, why not justify your posts that oppose mine. give reasons as to why you felt my posts did not make sense, like I attempted with yours. As sad as it is, its people like you that turn debates into personal little flame threads. After reading some of your previous posts, I thought u were capable of backing up your point and having a discussion, but just like many people on our forum, the minute someone brought up a point that made some sense, you retaliated negatively.

Thank you .

[Judah]

Dear disgruntled Bard-Judah---->The time you spend trolling forums and checking on the location of gillsellers you probably could have helped your friend farm the gil. Sunboy wouldn't waste their time camping that NM, and if you couldn't think of any good way for your friend to make 600k I can't help but wonder if you RMT for your gil. Fantajii took 5 people into Dynamis with them because they were friends of some members and wanted to help them out and experience dynamis, they recieved nothing for it...as for learning tactics, as has been stated those can be found on about 50 websites at least. Fantajii did not help them camp any HNM, much less that NM that you're not good enough to claim over some lowly gillseller that you think so poorly of. Fantajii in no way condones RMTing and has stated a number of times they are against it, you are a pathetic little forum troll and the best thing you can do with your time is try to create drama and blame others for your shortcomings.

Dear No-Name Pussy Faggot,

I'm glad that you took the time out to post something without reading/taking time to understand my post. My friend had called me asking a way to farm money /to buy a jujitsu gi/ and seeing they've gone from 120k to 600k in the last 8 months, it put me in the position of giving up my own gil which I earn /honestly/ to pay for the kind of people you take to dynamis. Sunboy may not directly camp the jujitsu gi NM, but they are gilsellers. From reading the rest of these posts (something i'm sure you haven't done), you should clearly be able to see that supporting these types of players is the same as buying the gil yourself. The economy is fucked up because people now have to look at IGE as a replacement to farming, due to the monopolization of NMs by people like your 'friends'. I really shouldn't have to explain it further.

Btw, you cant spell drama without 'Fantajii took gilsellers to dynamis cause they are fucking retarded'. oh, and theres a M in there somewhere.

[Dayooper]

well, i can't help it if I find your posts retarded, they really are. As for you going off into tangents, I was referring to when you said something about what if the person's real job is gilselling, or that you are helping the gilsellers by buying items that may be sold by a gilsellers. Perhaps I should state myself a bit better, they aren't totally unrelated, they just aren't logical, hence i find them retarded. Take the ah buying thing for example, what do you suppose we do about that? You are turning something really simple and making it complex and trying to twist the fact that what fantajii did was flat out wrong.

Well I guess if everyone feels the same you might as well toss your friends list. Because one time or another *not everyone* has sold gil to pay for their monthly fee and for other reasons. which makes them a gilseller And one time or another has bought gil. which makes them a gilbuyer So dont' go back on the point you are trying to stress and just blist and get rid of all your friends. Not just you but everyone and the issue will be fixed once and for all The only difference between Fantajii and everyone else is people have the so called Chinese OMG gilseller OMG as an easier target then pointing fingers at their friends and fellow LS mates. Well i'm taking tomorrow off from game so no new posts from me. I know I know I'll save you the effort HURRAY :D :D :D

[Dayooper]

Fantaji thinks it's ok to bring gilsellers into dynamis because "they didn't get anything (tangible) out of it"

Also, these gil sellers don't sell gil. Anymore. They think. And who is to say they ever sold gil in the first place?

You must be RMT as well, and so are all your friends, so who are you to accuse them?

(Sounds like desperate defenses to me.)

See post above