OMG UNGUR + FF + BG + POS DRAMA -sidenote aspid

[Daahan]

I've known of someone to be in a LS that hasn't done sky yet however they had a Kirin's Osode. Oh boy lets accuse them of RMT right away. A friend of his quit and gave it to him.

I guess it's going to be the same thing I suffer when my friend quits and gives me all his stuff that it'll make me a RMTer.

Like Vid said, Osodes doesnt revolve around BG. Never knew it was "your"concern what I have and obtained. I never knew you had to be in BG to have good gear? god forbids to buy anything now a days without BG "watching you"

Just because you are in BG doesnt make you a god and to treat people like this. Get real dawg, its just a game. Its real funny how a video game can make people so conceited and stuck up and they think they're the shit.

Hmmm...inferiority complex...?

[Fatality]

Kirins a fucking pussy, look at the LS that are killing him now. If so many people didnt hate me i could assemble a LS that could take kirin in less than a week, stop bitching. who the fuck cares who has a osode and who dosent.

[Avvesione]

Tony, are you saying that you don't RMT (or never RMT'd)?

[Tonyanjaii]

I do not RMT. Suspicion is one thing, but your attitude is another. I'm tired of hearing the "attitude" from BG even though "suspicion" is all you have.

Get real, get over it. The world doesnt revolve around you.

[Xavier]

um.. Quicklet did not specify a time frame. He/She/It made it sound like it was impossible for anyone outside of BG to have an Osode. That was the point I was trying to make.

A timeframe was pretty much implied if it was to establish that the osode was RMTed and not gotten through actually killing Kirin, basic skills of deduction. And kirin is a pushover, and its just a game, and its not a big deal, I was only clarifying what quicklet said.

[Avvesione]

I do not RMT. Suspicion is one thing, but your attitude is another. I'm tired of hearing the "attitude" from BG even though "suspicion" is all you have.

Get real, get over it. The world doesnt revolve around you.

Thanks for answering my question, but my question was plain and simple. The latter half of your post was not needed. I wanted to hear what you had to say and had no attitude what-so-ever.

[Daahan]

C'mon everyone, don't ya know? If a person has stalwart gear then they RMT!!

This is one thing that I really hate hearing.

[Vid]

um.. Quicklet did not specify a time frame. He/She/It made it sound like it was impossible for anyone outside of BG to have an Osode. That was the point I was trying to make.

A timeframe was pretty much implied if it was to establish that the osode was RMTed and not gotten through actually killing Kirin, basic skills of deduction. And kirin is a pushover, and its just a game, and its not a big deal, I was only clarifying what quicklet said.

If it was in fact implied we would not have needed you to clarify.

[Arwyn]

just to kill the Tony accusations, how did you get it? Im not asking you to start a childish argument with you. It's a legit question. I never knew anything about your situation, but getting an osode before you could equip it, before your old ls could do it, is suspicious. If someone accuses you of RMT, why couldnt you just deny it and say where you got it? rather than get extremely offended and putting yourself on attack mode. In my life experieces, "usually" people get jumpy and freak out when something is true but they dont want to admit it.

Just solve it here once and for all. How did you get it back then? Also, I dont remember who said it, but someone asked why Bik had to go post the SS on BG forum? BG forum. Other ls members do it. It makes more sense to think our own members have the right to post what they please.

edit: also...how can Kirin be a pushover? It makes me laugh to know that just because many ls' can defeat him now, he suddenly became a pushover? Does that mean you were an unskilled player before? No it doesnt. Kirin is just as hard as he was when you couldnt kill him. If you cant kill him with one party, flawness, I dont think he should be deemed a pushover.

[Avvesione]

Well said Arwyn. I just hope no one flames you for asking a simple question.

[Arwyn]

Come on Avv. Someone will. Many people are incapable of dealing with the direct issue at hand. When an answer is not brought up, someone will get their defenses up and resort to flaming. Its inevitable. Im just hoping that Tony isnt the one to do it. Hopefully he can just answer it so everyone will know the truth.

[Meriandle]

Master Ecks congrats on the Boomerang =^-^=

[Xavier]

If it was in fact implied we would not have needed you to clarify.

You'd like to think so, but the above your head seemed to indicate you needed some help to understand what was perfectly clear to me after actually reading the post comprehensively and not with the intent to immediately respond with a flame regardless of the context.

[Quicklet]

Well, when you're the only NA person outside of BG to have an osode, which probably cost 30 million gil, even though your LS can't kill Kirin, people take notice. It's not malicious, just a result of history.

Using the present tense doesn't necessarily mean you're talking about the present, especially when I actually said it's a result of history. Anyone who hasn't been living in a cave would know that plenty of NAs have killed Kirin by now. However, I am referring to back when BG (and possibly Uchino if you consider them NA) were the only NA LSes to have killed Kirin. Therefore, nobody outside of Uchino or BG could have gotten an osode by killing Kirin. People became aware that Tonyanjaii had the osode because Mrwatermonkey borrowed it before he got his osode. Naturally, Anbu hadn't killed Kirin back then so people wondered where it came from. While surely it is possible that people quit and give items to others, it's really not all that common for it to happen with extremely rare items, so it's much more logical to suspect that it's through RMT.

It's a little paranoid to assume that just because someone suspects you RMTed an item, they automatically have it out for you. It's pretty clear that RMTony wasn't used maliciously, since you'd understand that if you read the original post. The point of my explanation of where it came from is to show that RMTony is a lot more identifiable than Kazoku to the people who have been around that long, because everytime another LS from this server posts about killing Kirin it's like "Who are they?" Seriously, so many NA LSes have killed it now that unless you're in that LS or friends with people in that LS, you probably don't know the LS anyway.

Honestly, I don't understand why there are these conspiracy theories where some people think that BG holds itself on a pedestal over other LSes. Things like

Just because you are in BG doesnt make you a god and to treat people like this. Get real dawg, its just a game. Its real funny how a video game can make people so conceited and stuck up and they think they're the shit.

are a complete misrepresentation of what was actually said. It's only natural to question where an item comes from when the typical means of acquiring one isn't possible for you at the time. I'm going to be blunt here, from a personal standpoint. I could care less which LSes can kill Kirin now because it's not a big deal anymore. I could care less which LSes can kill Aspid and KB anymore because they're more about claim than difficulty anyway. And I really could care less about which LSes can kill Fafnir and Nidhogg since the chances of claiming over FI are so negligible that it doesn't really matter.

No, the world doesn't revolve around my linkshell, but don't expect me to care all that much about things that don't pertain to my linkshell. If I heard that some NA outside of BG had Herald's Gaiters now, and if I didn't know that that person had some way of getting the millions of gil you'd need to buy them (if you even found an LS who'd sell them), I would suspect it to be RMT too. That's because they obviously didn't get them from killing Tiamat, so that only leaves so many possibilities. I'm not going to go asking everyone who gets a rare item from the game how they got it, because it's just not that important to do so. I'll make a personal judgment based on my knowledge of the situation and move on.

You're just making this out to be a much bigger deal than it really is. Like I said, I could care less, I was just giving you an explanation of where it came from without having to make a 3 page post.

[Vid]

You'd like to think so, but the above your head seemed to indicate you needed some help to understand what was perfectly clear to me after actually reading the post comprehensively and not with the intent to immediately respond with a flame regardless of the context.

Well how the fuck am I supposed to know when Tony got his Osode or why should I even care? I don't analyze people down to every piece of gear they have or make accusations of rmt the ways you guys do. I have better things to do. I was just offended because to me it just sounded like Quicklet was saying that it was impossible for someone outside of your LS to have an Osode without being accused of RMT. If it's not what he/she/it meant then I apologize, but no need to be prick now.

[NynJa]

Come on Avv. Someone will. Many people are incapable of dealing with the direct issue at hand. When an answer is not brought up, someone will get their defenses up and resort to flaming. Its inevitable. Im just hoping that Tony isnt the one to do it. Hopefully he can just answer it so everyone will know the truth.

*insert unrelevant flames here*

[Bikwin]

If i had money to RMT, id do it. But I would stand ready to take whatever consequences came from that.

[Tonyanjaii]

To answer the question in a simple answer, is simply I bought the osode to which a lot of people know that I have, and yes I have lent it to Mrwatermonkey and such. I've been pretty calm about the whole accusation for a very long time now til today. I could care less what others think about me, but when my LS is being slandered like that, i was upset.

It was only about a month or so before Anbu took down Kirin, not months. As to who I bought it from, I bought it from a JP player that was selling one. The original price that was asked was too much IMO for which I wanted to pay, we both worked out a deal that we both agreed upon, simple as that. And from the price you guys are throwing out, I got it for far way less than you guys would value an osode.

I find it very wrong to accuse people of RMT when your reason is "they didn't beat such and such that drops it" "To obtain such an item, they must have RMT." Things are always sold in bazaars, trade, and AH for whatever price and for whatever item. It's part of the game, and thats how things work.

As for as how I obtain gil to buy such items is actually a private matter which I don't disclose to the public and it is actually none of anyone's business. A member from your LS does know and I have shown that person that I do make my money legit.

I am not here to start a flame war or what not, I'm not the type to get all worked up from this matter. Out of courtesy, if you don't know the truth, then don't start drama, because you don't know what you're talking about.

I personally don't care what everyone thinks or what not, especially when people that doesn't even know me.

"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."

-Robert Frost

[layoneil]

don't let people you don't care about get to you, especially people you don't even know.

people have been starting with me recently too and aside from the people i care about, i don't give a crap what other people say or think.

[Arwyn]

if you dont Tony, thats awesome. I think the reason that it got so out of hand is that you never told anyone. People called you a RMTer and you never once just denied it. You instantly got all defensive and I think that was confirmation for a lot of people. But its good to know that you dont ^^ thanks for answering the question