So this DRK...

[NynJa]

Moggy I disagree with what you said, because each LS and people in it have different levels of devotion and responsibility towards HNM raids. If your LS consists of people who work towards improving themselves to make kills better, why would you gives something like crimson mask to DRK? Yes, perhaps the DRK more points and has the right to lot on it, but he should know better than to lot on a vanity item that actually will be more beneficial to a RDM than DRK.

Sounds to me there that is it infact the RDM, the one who you felt is not bound by greed, who is the greedy one.
"He worked more then I did, but this item benefits me more, so I deserve it." <-- Greed

[Hirronimus]

You missed my whole point about LS working as one for the benefit of everyone. Nice job quoating out of context.

[Elcura]

The whole point of what I said was just that, even if you do point systems, you still gotta be smart about what jobs gets to use points, just comparing 1 faithful, hard working drk to a lazy piece of shit rdm is stupid, because every linkshell has multiple rdms, and at least 1 of them will deserve and need that item more then the drk, besides - if your LS does events where the rdms are missing then you need some serious reworking....

[NynJa]

The whole purpose of points is to show who works hardest for the LS.

If the DRK has 80 points, and the RDM has 40, theres a reason. The DRK is working, devoting their time to their LS, whereas the RDM is beating their shit in the corner.

[Moggy]

lol wait till a dedicated drg gets it X)
their rdm's will prolly quit the ls, but then again what use were they if they dun show up to things?

"i'm a rdm who doesn't wanna work as hard as that drk but i want shit that he wants and i want it before him!"

that i think sums up what elcura and hirronimus is trying to say

you still gotta be smart about what jobs gets to use points

u don't have to be very smart to understand this
1. LS uses point system, highest point can get item he wants in exchange for set amount of points
2. Drk in ls has the most point
3. W.abj Head or W.abj Legs drops
4. Drk wants them to rot in his mog safe
5. Under section 1. drk is entitled to get it because he has the highest point


its quite simple, u's are being greedy not the drk, the drk might be being stupid cos he wont' use it, but he's only getting his share of what he wants for the work he put in

[Elemmire]

If you ever get W. Head, are you gonna let the DRK lot? lol

umm.. if we ever get to fight KB -_- the JP have this pretty much under their cheating control... but I do believe I'll be the first to get W.Abj: Head cause I'm a RDM and would spend the points on it.. + the LS seems to agree that I deserve it XD but if others wanna lot.. well.. then we'll just go by LS rules. points for the win!

That's why you need competent leaders who see past the bullshit and decide what's best. Point system is stupid imo.

priority system allows for too much corruption (people are corrupt.. no matter how good a LS leader is they will prolly put a friend over someone else) or there's always the chance that a person will join the LS and use it because there are very few of that job.. they get what they want very fast and then leave.. I still think points is best.. but I think it just needs a little revision

[Stouter]

rdms get it over drks because nobody gives a damn about melees.

If rdms aren't motivated they won't come to sky and your sky hunts won't work. If your drks aren't motivated, well, unless your ls is made up of mages, tanks, and drks, your hunts will work just fine. That's just the reality of things, had S-E made drk more of an impact job perhaps things would be different.

Then what's the secret to getting blm to show for sky?

The only NM that I've dealt with in Sky that requires a BLM is Mother Globe. All other NMs can be killed without a BLM.

I've killed MG without a blm. Rdm 2 hours start of fight to clear out the slaves, and 3 rng alternate slug shots as the new slaves pop to quickly take them out.

you should see the greed on Quetzalcoatl.. people getting the win and/or AF outta a dynamis and then never showing up for that Dynamis run.. people lotting on things which are against the rules (in HNM/God/random Events/Dynamis) and then people MPKing other LSs and Stealing from other LSs. The people that expect a level 75 player to help them with AF instead of finding others to work together towards AF. People that make plans with one party to do CoP Missions or ZMs and then just blowing off that group to do it with another group so they can get it done sooner and then not returning to that group they made plans with to do the scheduled runs with... it makes me sick really.. but I don't doubt that all Servers have people like that.. I haven't been on other servers so I really haven't seen first hand.. but from what I've read.. Quetzalcoatl might have a good economy (sorta.. cheaper prices) but more idiots/assholes/selfish people

Yeah, and people using pearls for other HNM ls's to steal ToD's, and people quitting sky linkshells cause they are a drg that was told to pass crimson feet to a pld, and people MPKing other ls's at serket...

And that's just the leader of your ls.

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Here's my contribution to the original arguement, if you want the w legs to go to the job that will benefit the ls the most, why would you want it to go to pld first?

What pld gets from w legs that benefit the ls
-Slightly faster running speed on kirin. I've pulled hate on kirin several times, and after getting my initial running start, I had no trouble outrunning his TP moves and -ga's without increased movement speed. Pld will be constantly running, only stopping briefly to voke and flash, or self cure when kirin starts casting quake. The only time during the fight w legs would help pld would be right after a voke/flash.

What does rng get from w legs?
-Like pld, rangers will kite kirin. They will also be chasing him down to shoot him, quicker into position means quicker shots means quicker kill.
-When most ls's go to sky, they have a scout, typically a ranger, check on what NM's are up. A faster moving ranger would get this done faster.
-Rng often pull SC, Despot/placeholders, Aura Pots, Faust, and Ulli/placeholders. Increased movement speed makes it easier for them to survive a bad pull, or unfortunate pop.

[Scragg]

farm Simurgh.

[Elemmire]

Yeah, and people using pearls for other HNM ls's to steal ToD's, and people quitting sky linkshells cause they are a drg that was told to pass crimson feet to a pld, and people MPKing other ls's at serket...

And that's just the leader of your ls.

please show me proof where he told a DRG to pass on crimson feet and people going to other HNM LSs to steal ToDs? The MPKing at serket was a one time thing though -_- and believe me.. no one in the shell is pleased with what he and a few others in the shell did. He isn't even pleased with himself for it and has yet to forgive himself. In some defense.. Deniro was being a dick at Serket.. anyways.. the other crap is BS.. we all hear rumors.. we all make assumptions.. just pointing out that those first two you said are BS.

[Stouter]

Yeah, and people using pearls for other HNM ls's to steal ToD's, and people quitting sky linkshells cause they are a drg that was told to pass crimson feet to a pld, and people MPKing other ls's at serket...

And that's just the leader of your ls.

please show me proof where he told a DRG to pass on crimson feet and people going to other HNM LSs to steal ToDs? The MPKing at serket was a one time thing though -_- and believe me.. no one in the shell is pleased with what he and a few others in the shell did. He isn't even pleased with himself for it and has yet to forgive himself. In some defense.. Deniro was being a dick at Serket.. anyways.. the other crap is BS.. we all hear rumors.. we all make assumptions.. just pointing out that those first two you said are BS.

I never said he made a drg pass w feet, he was the drg that quit a ls after being told to pass w feet to a pld. He was also the one that had a pearl to Svina's ls (given at the start in future hopes of some HNM alliance) that he used to steal HNM tod's from the lsmes. He admitted to doing so.

[Elemmire]

oh? damn.. fo sham X.x I didn't know of this..

[Stouter]

Yeah, before you defend your leader and blow off accusations as rumors, get the facts straight yourself.

[Cantide]

I have Crimson Legs for my RDM. They're pretty nice.

[Marcatil]

What I really want to know is, what was the outcome of the entire purpose of this arguement? From my impression none of this happened [yet], or did it and I just miss the clue waaaaaaaaay back? Did the DRK get his/her Crimson legs, or what occured?

[Stouter]

What I really want to know is, what was the outcome of the entire purpose of this arguement? From my impression none of this happened [yet], or did it and I just miss the clue waaaaaaaaay back? Did the DRK get his/her Crimson legs, or what occured?

First kirin fight the ls ever did, w legs dropped, and the drk won them.

[Marcatil]

What I really want to know is, what was the outcome of the entire purpose of this arguement? From my impression none of this happened [yet], or did it and I just miss the clue waaaaaaaaay back? Did the DRK get his/her Crimson legs, or what occured?

First kirin fight the ls ever did, w legs dropped, and the drk won them.

Spiffy, now how many bitched? Or was this thread the result of the aftermath? As you can see what I stated my impression of this thread was since the beginning, of course, I am prone to error and misreadings @.@

[Stouter]

What I really want to know is, what was the outcome of the entire purpose of this arguement? From my impression none of this happened [yet], or did it and I just miss the clue waaaaaaaaay back? Did the DRK get his/her Crimson legs, or what occured?

First kirin fight the ls ever did, w legs dropped, and the drk won them.

Spiffy, now how many bitched? Or was this thread the result of the aftermath? As you can see what I stated my impression of this thread was since the beginning, of course, I am prone to error and misreadings @.@

My understanding is that quite a few people bitched, and 2 pld (not including the one that started this topic, unsure on him) were booted for their bitching, and currently seeking new shells. I also believe they got an osode to drop, nobody mentions who got that though

I think this post was made before the fight, and since the w legs dropped and the drk got.

[Marcatil]

{That's interesting.} Well, as long as people can remember to keep level heads over PIXELATED OBJECTS from a FORCE POP NM, life should be relatively easy. Of course, that would make sense, so yeah, we're screwed.

[Cohibu]

What I really want to know is, what was the outcome of the entire purpose of this arguement? From my impression none of this happened [yet], or did it and I just miss the clue waaaaaaaaay back? Did the DRK get his/her Crimson legs, or what occured?

First kirin fight the ls ever did, w legs dropped, and the drk won them.

Spiffy, now how many bitched? Or was this thread the result of the aftermath? As you can see what I stated my impression of this thread was since the beginning, of course, I am prone to error and misreadings @.@

My understanding is that quite a few people bitched, and 2 pld (not including the one that started this topic, unsure on him) were booted for their bitching, and currently seeking new shells. I also believe they got an osode to drop, nobody mentions who got that though

I think this post was made before the fight, and since the w legs dropped and the drk got.

all 3 got kicked

[Kuai]

^^
so the drk got kicked for obeying the system? sounds like a great LS