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[Hirronimus]

Totally agree with you Janice. If they made Zenith a mage version of God set (i.e. Kirin Osode, Haidate, etc) it'd be fucking pimp, but they didn't.

Imagine...

Crown: HP to MP 50; something more useful than stupid resist silence
Dalmatica: HP to MP 50 INT/MND/CHR+10
Mitts: I think they are perfect, but if they gave attributes or even magic skill that'd be awesome.
Zenith Pants: HP to MP 50 with current CHR/MND/INT and Haste+15%
Pumps: HP to MP with more CHR/MND/INT

[Janice]

You mentioned zenith is so good, they can never make anything better. Many pieces of JSE is better than zenith so they could easily make rare/ex stuff that offers better stuff than zenith.

+50 mp, big deal. I'd rather take:
+25 mp -4 emnity from AF hat
+25 mp -5 emnity from blessed pants

[rooster]

People have mentioned CoP's gear may fix these problems, but... With gear like Kirin's Osode, what can you possibly introduce that makes an Osode obselete in it's uses.

I agree that they need better items introduced... But before you can introduce better items, you have to introduce more mobs and harder mobs.

Look at everquest, if you think about stuff that was used 6-8 years ago, then you'd laugh seeing what is used now. All the items will get stronger and better as time goes on... I remember seeing stuff from plane of fear and sky in EQ and saying, "Omg, what else could they add". There is always something new coming.

One thing that really suprises me is that all these new dragons drop armour... and no weapons that make an major difference. New weapons could help melee's role in an HNM LS. Seems that sky had great armor and items, the new dragons i'm guessing will get new loot tables, but I'm hoping this is the new 'Sky' style patch that is going to really change the game....

*fingers crossed*

[Judah]

would be nice if the new 'sky' style thing (sea? altletleutereia.. however its spelled) dropped the counterpart abjurations that sky does~ yes?

the problem is - there are still a few things they'd have to pull out of their ass... another way to get a ridill... aegishlaklbmaoaer... etc.

[Hirronimus]

Yeah but look at parallels, you kill Sky Gods and you get items from them that helps you kill them even more efficiently.

Now look at CoP Wyrms. You kill them and get squat that will help you kill them with increased efficiency.

[Janice]

BTW, I was always wondering. The lvl cap was raised to 75 shortly after the NA release. Were there sky gods and kings before the raise? If there were, did they have smaller drop tables?

[rooster]

When sky was released kirin and friends were not in.

[Judah]

(note after reading janice's post - - they promised to never raise level cap past 75... then realized 'omfg why did we say that' and put in meripo... if they raise level cap.. it better be to 99 .. i want all or nothing)

[Kwijiboe]

Ok, zenith sucks. :3

But Dalmatica is fuckin hot, and I want it. But do I need it? No. But I'll camp for it. Same thing with Crimson Armor, the shit sucks, but a lot of people would kill for it.

The quality of an item is in the eyes of the beholder, and it being rarer and harder to get it, DOES make it better. Seeing as you need a HNMLS to get many and most abjurations, they are definetely worth more than anything you could ever buy on auction. And if you say it isn't worth more, then why are so many people camping? (not a direct question to you Janice :3)

-Kwijiboe

Edit - Didn't want to double post, but I wanted to agree with Hiro.. Killing the 3 new Wyrms does not help you kill the wyrm again, with shit like herald's gaiters, war/drg JSE and Acc+10 for mnk/nin/sam at fuckin lv74(yay?), they're just not made easier to kill, like Hirro pointed out. Cept maybe that provoke helm from Vrtra, which could help Tiamut and Jormungand fight.. wait, a harder fight's drop makes an easier fight, easier?

[Janice]

Ok, zenith sucks. :3

But Dalmatica is fuckin hot, and I want it. But do I need it? No. But I'll camp for it. Same thing with Crimson Armor, the shit sucks, but a lot of people would kill for it.

The quality of an item is in the eyes of the beholder, and it being rarer and harder to get it, DOES make it better. Seeing as you need a HNMLS to get many and most abjurations, they are definetely worth more than anything you could ever buy on auction. And if you say it isn't worth more, then why are so many people camping?

-Kwijiboe

Because melee characters want all the good stuff and lure the mages along promising fabulous items (even though there aren't any) in order to get them. It's lame that most of the good melee gear is rare/ex and most of the good mage gear is crafted. I would like to see the sea gods benefit the mages more than the melee so they can whine about not wanting to come instead.

[Kwijiboe]

^haha

For me, it's those lazy fuckin PLDs!

-Kwijiboe

[vudoodoodoo]

That rumor has been around for a long time though I think. I hope it does eventually happen though.

They will still come and claim every 12hrs.

[Hirronimus]

Do something about it. Take action into your own hands and don't expect SE to hand over NMs to you thru pop item.

[Razz]

I'm sure you wouldn't need melees outside of tanks anyway. Just the usual SMNs and BLMs >.>

[Hirronimus]

That's just simplified way of doing things, but all other jobs are still usefull no matter what.

[blud]

the only solution.. someone make a vokebot all na's on bahamut can use!
then agree to share faf. that is all

[Hirronimus]

the only solution.. someone make a vokebot all na's on bahamut can use!
then agree to share faf. that is all

[Judah]

the only solution.. someone make a vokebot all na's on bahamut can use!
then agree to share faf. that is all

[Xavier]

It's lame that most of the good melee gear is rare/ex and most of the good mage gear is crafted. I would like to see the sea gods benefit the mages more than the melee so they can whine about not wanting to come instead.

Its lame that mages can do their jobs naked to practically the same effect as fully equipped, while a naked melee hits for 0 and does 5 dmg weaponskills.

the only solution.. someone make a vokebot all na's on bahamut can use!
then agree to share faf. that is all

Why would I share with a community where only 2-3 linkshells CAN kill fafnir and only one has done so often?

[Kwijiboe]

Blms get resisted (a lot) without the proper gear, especially on high lvl HNM/Gods.

RDMs? Enfeebles, forget it. Much lower MP pool to work with, basically becomes a refresh whore, or more of a refresh whore? ._.

WHMs? Losing some refresh, buckets of cure potency and -enmity.

BRDs? I'll agree with you there, but BRDs can play naked almost no matter what. 'Specially mithras :3

SMN? Perpetuation costs become ridiculously high, loss of acc,attk,dmg from summons.

Gear plays a huge role for any job. Only difference is that, only a whm can do a whm's job, only a rdm can do a rdm's job, only a brd can do a brd's job. Whereas, any melee can do another melee's job; hit shit. SE made melee expendable

-Kwijiboe