Fafnir Comments

[Zigma]

If 2 LS are camping the whole window and a third LS shows up when it pops and the claiming pt zenmetsu, it's legal for that third ls to be included in the /random if they choose. It's fucked up but it's legal and it's been done in the jp side.

Also, i've seen shit like this go on and the voke smashing linkshell claims fafnir without voking, (good example: Holy's LS) They simply sleep fafnir and evacuate the area and go to the entrance, EVEN IF THEY ARE FIGHTING.


It's common sense to know you did not do this because you did not want to give up the illegal claim on fafnir and you wanted to kill it.


we're not idiots, welcome to end game.

With more people 'stepping up' to kill shit like this now, i'm sure this won't the the last time something like this goes on. heh

[layoneil]

Next time theres a random for something - make sure that every LS who has been there the whole fuckin window is given the chance to random.

the onus is on each individual LS to participate. next time get some leaders and decision makers who have some intelligence to represent your LS at an HNM camp.

don't try to shift the blame for the inadequacies of your LS leadership on to other people.

[Empire]

Maybe, to fix this all together, what should happen....

When the HNM pops, it is then claimed. The other LSs should coodinate and choose one person to random for their LS. Once the randomers are chosen from each LS, the groups random at that time.

doing this solves several issues:

1) only LSs at the time of POP get to random.
2) who gets the claim in case of wipe is chosen a long time in advance.
3) groups who didnt win the random can leave one for the DT and go do whatever, thus reducing lag in the zone.
4) the random is fair, b/c its not rushed and/or prematurly determined.

[Miami]

so....next time a LS wipes and hokuten is there....are we still allowed to random or we gettng excluded now at everything coz of 1 incident?

and im glad we finally talkin civil n not just spamming this thread anymore. :D

[Miami]

so....next time a LS wipes and hokuten is there....are we still allowed to random or we gettng excluded now at everything coz of 1 incident? <-------???????

[joft]

i can't remember the password to hokuten ventrilo

is it "bertisgay" or "bertsucks" ?

[Empire]

joft, lol

[Razz]

berticussucks isn't it? idk

[Sadler]

"bertisgay"

[Xavier]

The JP were included in the random, whoever said they weren't is trying to to add fuel to the fire. Moemoe represented the LS, randomed a 2xx something I believe. None of it matters because they aren't going to want to random with us anymore because they saw that there are NAs that ignore it, and since they CAN spam voke faster than us, they probably will.

Stop trying to shift the blame on to other people. I don't really view it as an apology because for everytime you've said sorry, you've also tried to shift all responsibility onto other linkshells as justification for voking and not randoming.

[Miami]

and u start this up again, why? lol this thread was dead, why bring it up again? -.-

[Arwyn]

cuz our chances of getting fafnir and such has been screwed. true...NA's will probably get it now and then...but if the JPN do start spamming voke, makes it pretty hard....

[Miami]

so coz of this ONE time u think end game for NAs is over? n jps gonna fuck us now? right..........

[Sadler]

so coz of this ONE time u think end game for NAs is over? n jps gonna fuck us now? right..........

CHARGE!!!!!!!! FUCK BG AND EVERY LINKSHELL!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[Miami]

so coz of this ONE time u think end game for NAs is over? n jps gonna fuck us now? right..........

CHARGE!!!!!!!! FUCK BG AND EVERY LINKSHELL!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

???

[Judah]

Someone in my linkshell found this - found it cute. I'll underline the important parts.

Summary
We win multiple claims and post-zenmetsu claims vs Japanese LS GGxxEExxHH. They begin to snap back with insuring themselves a turbo voke war on Fafnir, an MPK attempt, and false accusations that we ignore random rules. It's BS.

But read it anyway.

First Day
Nidhogg pops within 2-3 minutes of the servers undergoing very heavy stress and kicking almost every person, including JP. The LS consisting of 3 JP LSes that teams up wins the claim on Nidhogg. All LSes there run around and wait. Most leave because they think the 3 LSes have it under control, but we remained patient. GGxxEExxHH or w/e died and we won the claim and killed Nidhogg.

Second Day.
Fafnir pops and we win claim. Yes, Xavier won the claim over the 3-4 NA LSes there as well as GGxxEExxHH or w/e. We kill it and from future events, I guess GGxxEExxHH got really pissed off that they lost a claim to a gaijin, even one who got us all almost killed before by miss voking a darter.

Third Day

Before the pop times, GGxxEExxHH clears darters so that they can use their connection to guarantee themselves the claim with 150-200ms faster server response. Whenever we have won claim - whether it be NA (3 times: Malign, Mitzki, Xavier) or JP (a few more times) it's because of the concentration and luck required to pull among the darters. In response, we kill the next set of darters strategically so that hopefully they pop a few seconds before Fafnir does. I don't see how this is any less ethical than their clearing - we were both using the darters intelligently to both of our advantages. Moreover, Winona, an RDM from GGxxEExxHH casted poison on a darter that went unclaimed, leaving it unsleepable and hitting Lito. He called this RDM on MPK and her response:

There's nothing more convincing of a willful attempt to try to MPK us with our own darters. In my opinion this is where either of the LSes began to act unscrupulously. A lot of says followed in which GGxxEExxHH 'apologized' for MPKing, while Winona insisted that she had just gotten back from AFK, and that poison was a miss. Bullshit. So was the "^^" I guess? They started the crap, they couldn't take ONE claimed Fafnir vs NAs (whereas we have taken double digits' worth in stride vs JPs) so they had to stoop to this crap. Anyway, they kept voking after we had timed a kill, they got 1 darter, they still got Fafnir with a Darter blocking their spam (guess they didn't need to clear them huh?) and they died. Seeing Namie say "Flail" was pretty comforting, and for the hell of it, it served them right. We went back, pulled it, and won. And killed it.

Fourth day.

We decide to do KB over Nidhogg despite Fafnir window being one hour earlier, because we want KB more, but we saw Fafnir had popped. Lain's LS won the initial claim, got Darters, and died. After that GGxxEExxHH, Anbu, and BG were there. Anbu went with a lot of people, put up a pretty good fight, but couldn't get it rolling and ended up getting flailed. At this point:
**No random offer had been made by ANY LS there to us**
GGxxEExxHH had maybe 10 or less people there and was NOT ready to pull (this is proven by later events). We judged them to be not ready as they had 2 PLD/WHM tanks(???) and had not said anything about random.
Fafnir was unclaimed.

So we pulled. We had a rough start, and Fafnir did a 90 degree and almost spike flailed. He didn't, but it was still otherwise insanely hard at the beginning. I would estimate it took us 30 minutes or more to get it to 60%. Around 60% HP, Fkai began asking in tell why we didn't random. Ed, while tanking mega Fafnir (I don't know how to explain it, maybe the previous LSes pissed it off), talked in say for about 40 minutes from 60% to death saying "You guys weren't ready" "You guys didn't offer a random" "You can't not offer random before and then expect us to random after we've begun to fight," which were all true. Fkai began an insanely rude rant about how we disregard the rules (as if randoming after the fact that they werent ready is a requirement) and saying how we were gaijins and we dont respect the rules and how other JP LSes should see we don't random.
All of Fkai's claims are lies. We have randomed so many times for NMs -every- time on KB/aspid/nidhogg where it's come to the point of multiple LSes being there who have 1) not yet zenmetsud 2) the ability to kill the NM. We've randomed with PG on multiple occassions for Fafnir or Nidhogg (but never woFn), we've just recently randomed with SekaixLS and Anbu for KB, we one time randommed with Taiki's LS for KB a long time ago, and won, but uchino didn't zenmetsu. We respect common HNM etiquette and that is proven by history. Ask PG, ask Sekaix, ask Wayfarer, ask Anbu. GGxxEExxHH (or w/ewwwww) just seems pissed that they were unable to kill yet another Fafnir, although they've done it multiple times before, as if those weren't enough.

It's unfortunate that Ed was the only line of communication between us and them, and that now they all say "i hate ed" and "ed's LS is unethical," but it's bs. I guess this statement won't help much since they're mainly targetting JP LSes to try to ruin our reputation, but other NA LSes should be careful if they're competing with GGxxEExxHH. They cannot take a loss without some sort of sour retaliation as is proven by 1) Their attempt to turn Fafnir into a turbo voke war to be guaranteed the claim within 99% of all probability, 2) Their attempt to MPK us when we were trying to counteract their darter clearing with our darter clearing 3) Their attempt to call a random AFTER not having called a random before we went, and AFTER we had fought Fafnir for 25 or more minutes.

[Xavier]

and u start this up again, why? lol this thread was dead, why bring it up again? -.-

Its kind of a different situation when you start spam voking the instant another linkshell starts to wipe, or you decide to claim 10-15 minutes after a wipe has happened and the other LS is clearly sitting there not able to pull and thus not offering you a random. Its not similar at all. Clearly every linkshell there was ready to pull it yesterday, as they were all camped down in the pit, not semi-afk at the entrance to aery waiting for people to come as the teamup JP ls was at the time.

Props on trying to rekindle the flame though, I just wish we made money off each post.

[Judah]

the proof is in the pudding.

[Quicklet]

GGxxEExxHH had maybe 10 or less people there and was NOT ready to pull (this is proven by later events). We judged them to be not ready as they had 2 PLD/WHM tanks(???) and had not said anything about random.
Fafnir was unclaimed.

does not equal

im sure we werent the only LS spamming on it...

which you attempt to brush under the carpet by saying

We noticed that we were not included in the 'normal random procedure', and acted just as it would be if it didn't exist.

The problem here is that if you were "spamming on it" for claim before it even went unclaimed, how can you even claim that "you weren't going to be included in a random" since you didn't wait in the first place. You're trying to justify stealing claim as if something was done to you in the first place.

[Mifaco]

what happened to GGxxEExxHH anyways?