WoW Vs. FFXI

[Marcatil]

Blizzard also seems to acknowledge their faults and at times at least attempts to recompensate its playerbase. Ie. The time I guess they had extremely bad server disconnects (probably still do XD), they ended up giving every player a full bar of Rest.

Incase you're not familiar with WoW, when you sit around basically doing nothing, you accumulate Rest. This rate is increased when you are at an Inn, and is increased further when you are logged out. The rest bar will continue to rise, and very, very slowly, even under the best circumstances (logged out in an Inn). When you log back in, you'll notice your EXP bar is blue with a little line up to a certain point. Up until you hit that hit, you will gain 200% EXP. The instant you hit or cross that line, EXP is returned to 100%.

In order to get 1 full bar of rest you would have to like not play for almost a week or so RL time, therefore, making it quite the feat to get a lot of it.

SE has stupidass server crashes or some shit like that? Pfft, as if we'll ever see compensation.

[Quicklet]

Yeah, I think it's funny that WoW goes to great lengths to compensate players for unannounced server downtimes whereas SE seems to go to great lengths to squeeze every single dime out of its player base no matter how bad they screw up.

[Elcura]

Come to think of it, quite a few companies seem to compensate for unexpected server down-time. I never wanted to admit it, but Gravity (makers of RO and R.O.S.E) actually did compensate players by giving them 2-5x exp and drops. But back in the day it didn't matter cause one time they actually rolled back the servers 2 days during that exp/drop thing. Other then that, they were pretty good, and listened to the players. Better then SE now in my opinion.

[Marcatil]

For the record incase no one saw during a previous thread, SE has an F rating by the BBB.

GG SE, YOU SUCK -.-

[Elcura]

I reckon this is payback for FF: Spirits Within, FF-X and especially FFX-2. Let's hope KH2 doesn't suck...

[Shinigami]

Another Reason I made this post is because I'm going to try out this game on a temp basis, to see how enjoyable it is. It's beggining to take too long for me to bear for ffxi, I come home from work or going out with friends and only have 1-4 hours to play. It's not much when you spend an hour or 2 seeking a pt. And some days you just end up doing nothing. Gil sellers are being delt with.

And a little known fact to the rest of you, I came from another server, I origainlly played on PS2 in march when it came out, Loved the game, and since then it's just been a downward spiral, I got lvl 75 blm on Lakshmi server, then quit, my account was perm. Deleted because I lost one of my content Id's. Which sucked. So I came to bahamut to see the best. And the glamor wore off eventually. It just became same old same old.

As I play I'm really sad... It sucks to know no matter how much I try, I'll never be as good as the best BLM , I can't do anything someone hasn't already done before. Being the first to do something give you alot of pride and self confidence. It's the great thing about FFXI, well was for me. And as this game goes on. people just keep getting ruder and ruder, more people buy and sell gil. GM's Don't do jack ecept SGM's and Of course my hero Gludd. And my RL friend play WoW now because you can log and and just start playing. It's beggining to sound very appealing.

Well whatever we'll see how it goes, I thank you all for lots of feedback and if your a mage class in WoW pls pm me or send me your MSN i'd like to chat for a bit about different things. Just to get a general idea of gameplay.

[blud]

It seems to me japanese games are centered around perservering through difficulty: ie seeking for hours, taking all that time to level to 75, etc. The player feels more of an accomplishment or gets really pissed off. I guess it depends on the type of player you are.

[Ashen]

whats the crafting system in WoW like, compared to FFXI? one of my LS mates said he maxed i think 2 crafts without losing any money

[Pete]

crafting in WoW: You never lose items. Ever

[Chumm]

whats the crafting system in WoW like, compared to FFXI? one of my LS mates said he maxed i think 2 crafts without losing any money

As an unrelated aside, the crafting in Star Wars Galaxies is brilliant. The rest of the game is a mess, but it's fun being a crafter :wink: .

[Maren]

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[Veritas]

crafting in wow is not about getting to 300, its obtaining rare recipes. friend of mine went on pyromancer runs for 3 weeks to obtain robe of the archmage pattern (back when it was bop pattern)...but when i went i got it on the 4th run lol. gogo good luck.

exp is a lot of the ffxi game, and exp is none of the wow game...so when you guys address leveling and whatever, its not relevant.

shinigami i hope you got my pm, its really cluttered in my pm box since i still have shit from like last year in there. you can msg me on aim anytime you want.

As far as endgame goes, I'm still unimpressed.

quicklet, i'm not sure. mc/onyxia takes friday and saturday night, which gives us a mere 5 days to go get everything else we need and do pvp the rest of the week. adding bwl and our schedule is really fucked in terms of raiding because then we seriously have no time to do anything other than raiding, and so we're trying to figure out a schedule right now to anticipate bwl. kazzak and azuregos actually drop very very good loot. claim is not a problem since the biggest problem is having 20 horde show up, wipe you, and have him regen back to 100% and go back to normal. kazzak also has to be killed in under 3mins or he goes ssj4 on you, etc etc.

bwl comes out next patch and we're expecting it to require 40 people decked out in majority purple. they're currently developing the 40man instance in southern silithus (a friend of mine and i went hax on the landscape and got over the wall, to see that they fucked up the terrain and blocked all players from seeing what's in development, its pretty awesome because now we know they're actively working on it) plus a new 15-20 man instance and more 5man instances. so there's more to come for sure.

itemization could be better, yes, but pvp rewards are only better for some classes. there's still nothing better than sulfuras, not to mention OMFGEPEEN that comes with it. you can go to alterac, do nothing but ninjaloot corpses for 2 days, and get honored/revered and then repeat for a bit more for exalted and get your unstoppable force. as for casters (other than warlocks) everything is pure shit. i dont need 400 hp on a staff. go away.

but that's just my opinion. this is blizzard's way of giving both pvp and pve people their own way to play and compete and get better. pve players have to keep running those instances in order to get a shot at their loot, and keep getting better as all other dedicated pve people are surely improving as well. pvp players get their items, but must pvp often in order to keep their rank as to keep using their items that they obtained. in the end, pvpers get what they need for pvp, and pve'ers get what they need for pve. if you wanna do both, go for it

surely its easier for casual players since you're not on a sporadic time frame like HNM in ffxi is, but as far as time commitment, i dont agree that ffxi requires more.

btw quick, where do you get your ideas about where wow is going? i know you're busy doing irl stuff lately, so send a pm if you wish. i always enjoy conversations with you :wink:

[Makaze]

I think the real question is: What server do you guys play on? I play msotly on Spinebreaker (PvP) with my gf and friends from school, and I'm sorta lvling/building rest on a character on Icecrown with a guy from work.

WoW in almost every aspect is far better than FFXO. I can solo and make good xp. When you grind xp it actually feels like youre making a difference because while grinding I've gotten drops worth over 1g (I'm only lvl 29 pally atm . Right now im doing gnomer alot. Ive gotten 3 lvls and made 20+g just from gnomer, plus bind on pickup items.

I just wish I hadnt invested all the time in FFXI or Id quit... But I have too much left to do in FFXI lol

[Quicklet]

btw quick, where do you get your ideas about where wow is going? i know you're busy doing irl stuff lately, so send a pm if you wish. i always enjoy conversations with you

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com
http://www.fohguild.org
http://www.conquest-guild.com

Sulfuras seems like an iffy item. Sure it's nice but from what I've been reading there are a lot of other items that come pretty damn close in quality (and don't take the insane amounts of ingredients that Sulfuras does). It just seems like the way itemization is going, Sulfuras is going to be made obsolete by something in BWL by the time people even start to have them.

As far as the PvP thing goes it sounds like it's set up to make you grind 24/7 in order to get access to the best stuff, but you have to keep grinding 24/7 just to keep using it (as opposed to just farming for something that's practically as good from MC and not having that pvp "upkeep" to keep using it). It just seems like it's going to be hard to be a major player in the honor system and have enough time left over to do all the PvE stuff that's available.

And I said I was unimpressed by the endgame mainly because Blizzard hyped it up so much in the beta that most people were expecting there to be more endgame than there is now. Sure you've got onyxia and MC to knock out 2 days a week but it's been, what, 7-8 months since retail came out and this is the first new raid dungeon since then. If you take into account two major reasons why you didn't see more guilds blow through Onyxia/MC in a shorter time, which are the time it took for people to get to LV60, and perhaps more importantly, the lockout bug which screwed over so many raid attempts, I bet you that unless BWL is insanely bugged or just plain made too difficult (and then nerfed at a later date), you're going to see it being farm status for a lot of guilds within 1-2 months. Unless Blizzard steps up their endgame development it's not going to be much different from FFXI in that regard (waiting months upon months to get the next tangible dungeon). I'll put my money on it being too buggy / too impossible to clear though (think Ragnaros being turned from a 1 hour attempt window into a 2 hour attempt window).

[X-CeLL]

On FFXI, you spend days apon days doing the repeitive same thing leveling up, on the other hand who doesnt like 150,000 xp straight of killing crawlers for weeks in a row?

For Endgame ffxi most people can only do half of the endgame, the other half depends on where you live. and we all know how fun wasting 3 hours a day for a few weeks is.

On WoW, you can do multiple things for xp; instances, questing, or just plain grinding. Not to mention you dont have to spend your life to get to endgame material.

Oh and the GMs actually do something half the time, instead of the bullshit: "We'll investiaget the matter further"

[Maren]

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[Fira]

Whats website for the ascendent sky/game over guild on WoW? ;3

[Veritas]

too buggy

actually, too laggy, not too buggy. we wasted 3-4 hours doing nothing thanks to lag (9 mc groups at the same time for some ungodly reason) so we went ctf for like 7 hours and it was a shitton of fun

as soon as i finish setting up machine i'm going ctf again :D

[Quicklet]

actually, too laggy, not too buggy.

Well, I was referring mostly to the raid lockout bug plus all the pathing bugs that caused the scandalous Conquest situation. It sounds like most of that stuff has been worked out on Onyxia and MC, *but* my money is on BWL being broken when it comes out.

[Maren]

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