Ninja / Ranger NERF

[Fira]

yus... that would be the bc99 shuriken ;3 throw that bitch pls

[Hirronimus]

yus... that would be the bc99 shuriken ;3 throw that bitch pls

Too bad Unlimited Shot is 51. =X

[vudoodoodoo]

Lol Nokizura Shuriken is not for throwing.

[Zigma]

the best shuriken nin can use(not from bc99) costs over 2.5mil for a stack on bismarck ;\

yup, you need gold fucking ingots to make them and the yield is 4!


It would be nice if they add a high level gun NIN can use and introduce a new bullet that we can use thats slightly weaker then a silver bullet.

[Atreides]

i doubt anyone has a stack of those laying around...

that's the equivalent of someone in your party pulling mobs by tossing phantom tathlums or tsars eggs at them.

[Septimus]

Ninjas who use guns are teh sacksay. (And I'm nost just saying that because I use guns when I level Ninja.) At low levels, the damage boost you get from a gun is awesome for holding hate. Too bad Ninjas don't have access to any guns over level 30 or so.

[cravy]

fucking stupid, worst idea of all time

[Demetrick]

Ninjas who use guns are teh sacksay. (And I'm nost just saying that because I use guns when I level Ninja.) At low levels, the damage boost you get from a gun is awesome for holding hate. Too bad Ninjas don't have access to any guns over level 30 or so.

theres a 46 gun that you can use, name eludes me atm.
Then the next gun is Rare/ex I think the Coffin Maker from KS30's Rare/ex.

NIN/RNG is awesome for playing around and pumping slug shots into random mobs.

[vudoodoodoo]

I was suspicious when SE finally did an update w/ something good (ninja tool quivers) and w/o nerfs....

[Atreides]

really they just need a whm-only gun that shoots holy lasers, like ive been wanting for like 5 months now.

[vudoodoodoo]

Hopefully NPCs will sell some new shuriken at a non rediculous price.

[Atreides]

Hopefully NPCs will sell some new shuriken at a non rediculous price.

letting them stack to 99 would be nice too, unless the point of bundling ninja tools was to free up space for 12-stack shurikens >_>

edit: bah nvm they do stack to 99 >_<

hay maybe you can bundle them now D:

[Hirronimus]

Lv.42 Negoroshiki+1 DMG:29 Delay: 582 (Crafted) or Lv.46 Deluxe Carbine DMG: 32 Delay 600 (Quested) and of course Coffinmaker. To bad the only bullets a NIN could use are Lv.1 and Lv.22

[Zaris]

The coffinmaker (our ninjas dub it the golden gun) is a nice favorite for ninjas that like to use guns. I believe it is the highest level, highest damaging gun available for them.

If they really had to make enmity loss happen when a utsusemi copy image was absorbed, they should have made the effect for Utsusemi: Ni only. It's tough enough holding hate with Ichi only pre-37 since you're expected to take a hit every now and then. If this is a prequel to Utsusemi: San or some other hate-holding technique it better be implemented soon after the coming update. Because I can see how the hate holding mechanics for NIN can really suffer from this. Not even all shell earrings that give enmity or the Mermaid's ring can keep hate as strong against a Sidewinder, and more enmity loss makes it even worse.

Albeit this is a plus for rangers who suffer the most from doing too much damage. I always complained that there had to be some way for rangers to shread hate off themselves and AF2 is underused (probably with good reason). As regarding damage and distance, it's more realistic as Hirronimus pointed out. A bullet should obviously do more damage at point blank then it would several meters away.

As for endgame, being a Lv40 RNG and NIN I have no idea how this will effect. I guess I'll let my linkshellmates and you guys bring the news to us.

[Hirronimus]

Actually what I meant to say with that comment is that a bullet would do much more dmg from afar rather than up close. Some RNGs still think meleeing for that itty-bitty extra dmg is a good thing. Someone once pointed out interesting thing about RNG gear. Look closer at Rings RNG wears, Accu-, which means RNGs weren't meant to melee and be nothing but snipers.

I think the whole accu and dmg affected by distance might actually be a good thing. Why say it's a negative thing, when it could mean that RNGs can stay further away from mob and utilize the kited mob's distance for greater dmg. Also it's possible they will increase the distance for use of WS. So instead of having to run up to fire of Sidewinder or what not, RNG might have the benefit of firing WS from longer distance.

[Hirronimus]

In addition, the higher the monster's level is with regard to the player, the less damage will be dealt with a ranged attack.

I just realized what this could possibly mean. If I'm right, the mobs might start to check with Ranged Evasion and Ranged Defence on top of basic evasion and defence cons.

[Andarvi]

this is my fault.

i lvl dragoon to 60, square nerfs TP, and ushers in a new era of drg worthlessness. takes me another 13 lvls to realize they suck endgame.

so i lvl rng to 75 in like two and a half months to be useful, get some nice gear, and then square checked up on me again to see what to nerf next.

anyone have any jobs they want nerfed further out of spite? i can lvl it if u wish.

squares robinhood mentality of stealing from the better jobs in the game to make less effective jobs appear more useful is gaysauce.

[Orfeo]

The ninja's may not be getting nerfed that much. It will probably be the same hate loss as when you actualy get hit, insignifigant.

As for rangers...you're fucked :D How the hell will ranger parties work now? shadowbind 4tw?

EDIT: Ya, I was about to level my ranger to 75 for end game content. Fuck that, I'm going to go buy gear for my mnk now kthxbai.

[Andarvi]

i should just take drg to 75 no for the mere fact that i have gogodavi.

[Furiex]

Last time I checked, xp mobs are not kited.

RNG pts will not get affected as much.

RNG pts will still own traditional pts.