ever seen this pentagon video?

[Genosync]

Missle, bitch. Not airplane engines.

[Raivyn]

Ok, everyone who doesn't have a degree in either;
1) Physics
2) Aerodynamics
3) Fire Sciences
4) Chemistry
5) Photoanalysis/image distortion (read; physics)

stop speculating and gtfo.

Yes, let's all trust the guy who can make a flash movie with scaaaary unsubstantiated misperception based conspiracy theories and not the people who know exactly what happens when a huge airplane hits an even bigger building when its going hella fast and loaded with fuel.

[Zigma]

Ok, everyone who doesn't have a degree in either;
1) Physics
2) Aerodynamics
3) Fire Sciences
4) Chemistry
5) Photoanalysis/image distortion (read; physics)

stop speculating and gtfo.

Yes, let's all trust the guy who can make a flash movie with scaaaary unsubstantiated misperception based conspiracy theories and not the people who know exactly what happens when a huge airplane hits an even bigger building when its going hella fast and loaded with fuel.

this is a forum so you gtfo.

[Andarvi]

sorry we arent all giving the government rimjobs like you Raivyn. i know, its crazy that anyone would offer a different opinion in a world of free speech and expression. HOW DARE THEY.

btw where did you get your degrees in all the areas you listed? because unless you personally have a degree in physics, aerodynamics, fire sciences (is this even a viable degree?) chemistry, and photoanalysis to vouche that those are the only areas needed to give credit or disprove the video i think u need to gtfo. dont make me post peppy.

[Raivyn]

sorry we arent all giving the government rimjobs like you Raivyn. i know, its crazy that anyone would offer a different opinion in a world of free speech and expression. HOW DARE THEY.

btw where did you get your degrees in all the areas you listed? because unless you personally have a degree in physics, aerodynamics, fire sciences (is this even a viable degree?) chemistry, and photoanalysis to vouche that those are the only areas needed to give credit or disprove the video i think u need to gtfo. dont make me post peppy.

can't remember the last time I gave the government a rimjob - actually I'm pretty sure I hate the government for taking 1/3rd of all the money I make.

Right now I'm working on my degree in bio-chemistry.

And excuse me for wanting people to think before they speak, instead of just hoping on the bandwagon of anti-conformity conformitism

[Marcatil]

sorry we arent all giving the government rimjobs like you Raivyn. i know, its crazy that anyone would offer a different opinion in a world of free speech and expression. HOW DARE THEY.

btw where did you get your degrees in all the areas you listed? because unless you personally have a degree in physics, aerodynamics, fire sciences (is this even a viable degree?) chemistry, and photoanalysis to vouche that those are the only areas needed to give credit or disprove the video i think u need to gtfo. dont make me post peppy.

I think it's more along the line of Pyrotechnics, which actually does have some substantial certification involved with it.

OP: Also, I have to agree, if you don't have degrees for all of those either you really need to stop preaching what you can't practice. Darn, we're all questioning the very government we have, and last I checked everyone and everything has some sort of skeleton in their closet. Please, if you think the government is all clear-cut about everything they say, whatever the fuck you're on you need to start sharing, now.

You want some good conspiracy theories delve into the 3 I listed earlier. The 2nd one, PSYOPS, you'll likely never find the actual dark secrets to it, unless you have some damn good resources with intel.

[Andarvi]

jsut because our opinion is contrary to yours doesnt mean its a bandwagon. maybe your on a bandwagon of conformity because your too afraid and/or narrowminded to open your mind to other possibilities than what mainstream media holds true.

btw whats PSYOPS? O.O

[Raivyn]

Meh - I'm guilty of making a blanket statement so I find myself backing into a corner, so I'll admit I was being brash. You don't need a degree, but you should really examine everything from every possible angle instead of believing what a flash presentation tells you.

I think with this particular flash video we see a distortion of facts in the form of a 'documentary' medium which makes it easy to believe. Media is interesting though in that reporting on anything giving only excerpts you can make absurd claims. Kinda reminds me of michael moore's style of bullshit.

Fire Sciences is a degree which takes only a year to get and is much less complicated than a full pyrotechnics degree, being that a pyrotechnics degree requires study in the field of chemistry. Any liscensed fire fighter in the U.S. has a degree in fire sciences - it's a specialized field of study that is applicable to fire fighting in general.

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories because I find them to simply be a way for people to easily explain away something that happened just because they are uneducated (think moonlanding, jfk assasination). I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention 'Shadow Government' - if you are referencing black ops type deals or rather an overarching ruling class that controls the government and our daily lives. The order of the Illuminati is an interesting subject, and not one that I have looked in to in much detail - but it is the basis of a lot of science fiction and fiction books in general. It seems to be similar to free masonry and a lot of the stories that are associated with that.

PSYOPS - are you referencing the government's experimentation with remote viewing and mind control, or are you talking about the actual military unit that exists?

[Andarvi]

thanks for clarifying things.

i agree, the actual video itself, especially the portion of the missle hitting the building, looks edited as hell. not to mention all the "eyewitness accounts" which have zero validity to them. however the holes being punctured is an interesting theory. honestly. thats the main thing that got me.

as far as fire sciences go, your a biochem major, im a bio psych major, so i figured it would be on university level, not a one year program (thats what id call it, degrees take years to get unless your a prodigy).

still, wtf are PSYOPS? explain both scenarios you mentioned Raivyn.

[Raivyn]

Which holes are you talking about? The one with the scorch marks around it?

Yeah - about the pics I'm not convinced - camera's have enough trouble catching what cars look like going 80 miles an hour - I'm sure that an airplane going 250 miles an hour + would not look like an airplane as captured by that kind of camera.

PSYOPS - Well for one, around WW2 the government conducted many experiments concerning mind control and brainwashing, I'm not sure how far these trials went but that was before we had ethical controls on psychological experiments so they could have gone quite far. They also experimented with remote viewing in the cold war, in which they would isolate a person in a room and tell them to think about Russia and have them draw something, or write down whatever came to mind. They had mixed results with this program, but came up with some startlingly accurate predictions. Results proved inconclusive though I believe.

The actual military unit that exists today consists of operations designed to disrupt and demoralize the enemy. They have existed since WW2. They will do things such as drop pamphlets on enemy locations saying something like this...

"At 18:00 hours tomorrow we will drop a feul-air explosive at this location. Any humans in the area will be affected as follows: Your eyeballs will explode and your skin will hemorrhage instants before it is charred to a crisp..."yaddayaddayadda. They will also include pictures or videos of what happens to people when they are hit with such weaponry.

Then they'll drop a feul-air explosive at that location at 18:00 hours the next day.

[Andarvi]

O.O interesting to say the least.

[Raivyn]

Ok I really have to start my paper that's due later today... lol fuck it's 1:15...

I'll be back later

[Marcatil]

Shadow Government is a tricky one, since that has about 2 or 3 different case scenarios to how it's referred. Better off to easily delve into all and try to base your standpoints there.

Illuminati is just a fun one to get on the bandwagon for because it's so "hush hush" that's what makes it interesting.

PSYOPS actually has a 3rd area that's virtually impossible to get information on; it's damn hard. You nailed the first two quite well, the 3rd one is where it's hard to get because you have to have an open acceptability into phenomina that're still unproven down to a T; the existance of psychic "power" (worst term to use, but can't think of a better one) existing and the ability to manipulate and/or manifest it.

Psychic Operations (PSYOPS, version 3.0 LOL), another group where there is a military branch specificially designed using such techniques. While its existance is in the clouds, as much as psychic ability in general. This group being organized for warfare oriented to this degree.

This is why I said you have to keep an open mind; you do not have to believe it whatsoever, but just simply acknowledge the fact that such a thing IS possible, and that if proven to a reasonable degree, you would be open to changing your belief about it.

As per the traditional conspiracy theories of like the JFK assassition, etc., w/e, that doesn't interest me, I prefer the darker shit. I think the existance of aliens being covered up is just bullshit, if you seriously think we are the ONLY LIVING ORGANISMS in the whole fucking ever-expanding universe, you have to have the most closed mind, ever.

Yeah, so, I'm sort of a sci-fi nut, get over it >.>

[Andarvi]

if you seriously think we are the ONLY LIVING ORGANISMS in the whole fucking ever-expanding universe, you have to have the most closed mind, ever.

couldnt agree with you more. i have took this stand in so many cases, from friendly conversations to catholic school debates. no way we are alone.

[Marcatil]

And to have some more fun, I believe it was the Mayan calender (correct me if I'm wrong, could be Aztec) that has their final cutoff date end on December 22, 2012 (I think?). Supposedly they talk about it, but so vaguely that the only speculation about it is that the calender production ceased on that date due to some horrific tragedy occuring that they refused to persue the use of it anymore, or something along those lines.

[Lasitha]

And to have some more fun, I believe it was the Mayan calender (correct me if I'm wrong, could be Aztec) that has their final cutoff date end on December 22, 2012 (I think?). Supposedly they talk about it, but so vaguely that the only speculation about it is that the calender production ceased on that date due to some horrific tragedy occuring that they refused to persue the use of it anymore, or something along those lines.

Gah, I can't remember which one ended in 1999, but I'll get back to you on that. On another note, mayans have this weird drawings too with like people inside capsules that fly.

[Marcatil]

I don't ever recall a calender dating a cutoff in 1999, only reference I can think to that year was Chrono Trigger LOL >.> Where Lavos erupted and blew them all to hell.

Yeah, that was a spoiler if you never played CT, but if you haven't ever played CT, you should be dragged out into a street and bludgeoned with a 2x4. Blasphemers.

[Demosthenes11]

I don't ever recall a calender dating a cutoff in 1999, only reference I can think to that year was Chrono Trigger LOL >.> Where Lavos erupted and blew them all to hell.

Yeah, that was a spoiler if you never played CT, but if you haven't ever played CT, you should be dragged out into a street and bludgeoned with a 2x4. Blasphemers.

Amen

[Septimus]

And to have some more fun, I believe it was the Mayan calender (correct me if I'm wrong, could be Aztec) that has their final cutoff date end on December 22, 2012 (I think?). Supposedly they talk about it, but so vaguely that the only speculation about it is that the calender production ceased on that date due to some horrific tragedy occuring that they refused to persue the use of it anymore, or something along those lines.

If I remember correctly the Aztec calendar does not end per se, but starts a new cycle. I guess the best way to describe a cycle would be like how we think of "periods" in an anthropological sense. But according to their tradition, cycles are normally ushered in by huge calamities.

[Andarvi]

yeah, you find the ancient central america/south american cultures have the most interesting and thought provoking allusions to aliens and such.

im sure you guys have seen those desert drawings, made by the Nazca on the coast of Peru. the intricacy and size of the images has always puzzled archeologists and such considering they couldnt fly but seemingly one would need to to make such art.

check it out.

http://www.crystalinks.com/nazca.html