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[Aarion]

WHM has a much higher Club Rating than anything BRDs have and some clubs even have good damage. the only saving grace for BRD melee is Joyeuse.

Not exactly true. WHM has a B+ club rating while BRD has a B- dagger rating.. so not exactly MUCH higher. Regarding swords, with Joyeuse and spirits within or vorpal blade, a brd has a higher damage potential.. in addition to the fact that they can wear an aweful lot of "combat" gear.

Doesn't really matter, whm was not made to be a DD, but it's still fun to have some of that gear nonetheless.

[Septimus]

Eh, whm has practically no offensive power on anything IT. In fact I'd argue that even bards are better DDs on EM and above. Why begrudge us for getting a little something? I'm waiting for SE to give us a complete set of "battle armor". Then you guys might have something to complain about!

White Mages can churn out 1000-1500 damage Hexastrikes on EP and below mobs. Subbing Dark Knight, using Soul Eater and Last Resort I am lucky to pull off an 800 damage Vorpal Blade on a mob 45 levels below me. (Don't even get me started on how amazingly crap-tacular Savage Blade is.)

You have no attack power one anything IT? Neither do Red Mages and we're supposed to be the "fighter mages" of Vana'diel. (Square's words, not mine.)

[Elcura]

RDMs should be crappy tacticions and stat whores like the RDM in 8-bit theater.

[Septimus]

RDMs should be crappy tacticions and stat whores like the RDM in 8-bit theater.

Never read it.

[Pizzabox]

RDMs should stop whining about crap when they are in actuallity the best solo. RDMs can solo things other jobs wouldnt dream of and you complain all the time about how you dont get something. Stop whining and look at the whole thing.

Why do you need the best DEF in the game?
Why do you need the best melee gear in the game?

The answer to both is: You dont.

Everytime another job gets something nice i see rdms whining how they want it too. rdm are like the spoild child of the game.

Sorry about the rant but i hate when i see rdm whine about every little thing. And i see it way too often on my server and on alot of boards >_>

[Octavious]

RDMs should stop whining about crap when they are in actuallity the best solo. RDMs can solo things other jobs wouldnt dream of and you complain all the time about how you dont get something. Stop whining and look at the whole thing.

Why do you need the best DEF in the game?
Why do you need the best melee gear in the game?

The answer to both is: You dont.

Everytime another job gets something nice i see rdms whining how they want it too. rdm are like the spoild child of the game.

Sorry about the rant but i hate when i see rdm whine about every little thing. And i see it way too often on my server and on alot of boards >_>

Wow, congratulatons for being the stupidest person I've found today! And if you noticed we REALLY weren't bitching about Defense, lol, so where the hell did ya pull that from. Also, RDM are good solo, however we get Wyrmal Body that drops off 1 damn King Turtle , that 99% of us on FF will never get. We didnt argue to be better, just adequete for once, rather then being screwed over w/a job description that doesn't match the job. We dont NEED to be the best melee, but if they intended RDM to be a melee mage then I see no reason to ask for better armor. Why not petition like half the whiny rangers after they got nerfed, maybe SE will listen, lol (yea SE listen? pfft)

[Septimus]

RDMs should stop whining about crap when they are in actuallity the best solo. RDMs can solo things other jobs wouldnt dream of and you complain all the time about how you dont get something. Stop whining and look at the whole thing.

Why do you need the best DEF in the game?
Why do you need the best melee gear in the game?

The answer to both is: You dont.

Everytime another job gets something nice i see rdms whining how they want it too. rdm are like the spoild child of the game.

Sorry about the rant but i hate when i see rdm whine about every little thing. And i see it way too often on my server and on alot of boards >_>

Wow, the ability to fight a mob by myself for 10 minutes to get 75XP certainly makes up for my A+ skill, which I have spent countless hours and millions upon millions of gil to improve, being almost 100% useless in both Sky and Sea.

Let me say this in no uncertain terms- Red Mages are not the best soloers. Let me repeat, there are jobs better at soloing things than Red Mages. Ninjas, THF/NIN, Monks, and Summoners will be able to kill 2 to 3 times as many mobs as a Red Mage at any given time frame. The reason that Red Mages can solo is because we are very decent at damage mitigation, allowing us to outlast a mob despite our piss-poor melee or elemental damage; but most any job that subs Ninja can do the same thing, almost all of them much, much, much faster.

You hate to see Red Mages whine about every little thing? I hate to hear people whine that we don't deserve jack shit because we have refresh and don't die when we are alone against mobs. Spoiled children? More like red-headed step-children...

[Octavious]

I could so hug you if I was on bahamut and not CaitSith Sept, best thing i've ever read. also Im a taru so you might not like me. T.T

[Septimus]

I could so hug you if I was on bahamut and not CaitSith Sept, best thing i've ever read. also Im a taru so you might not like me. T.T

GALKA ONLY!!!!!

[Pizzabox]

I still think there is something dreadfully wrong with a WHM being allowed to wear a haubergeon

Actually, there is something wrong with the fact that the only body armor that a Red Mage can wear that has a higher defense is Abjuration Armor. (W. Body) And that Red Mages are supposed to be the only mages who can actually wear armor. >_<

(Then everyone wonders why Red Mages walk around pissed off all the time.)

This is where i saw bitching about DEF. kthx?

And i already apologized for the rant because MOST rdm on MY server are whiny little children who beg and cry till they get thier joyuese which helps no one but them. Infact many times it hurts people who help them get it because then the rdm thinks he is a decent DD and trys to melee at bune. While meleeing he completely ignores his job as a rdm and doesnt enfeeble/Cure/Stun (He was /drk). Thats just one example. Another being a rdm who instead of doing his job at a HNM, went off to build TP for a Spirits within. Leaving the whm and blm with no refresh, leading to the death of everyone in the alliance. Then there are the countless rdm from lvl 32-70(70 seems to be the cutoff) that dont even have a fucking clue they know the spell dispel, instead they once again try to melee.

This is why i was ranting. Seeing you whining because some other job got something and you didnt set me off, I apologize to you. Aparently you are better then those idiots i experience day to day.

btw this is no Joke. The rdm forgot to fucking cure the tank and just let him die. He was too busy building TP on BUNE to bother curing aparently. When i asked why he didnt cure i got this "I am /drk, i dont have much cure power like this".............

[Lasitha]

Actually that has nothing to do with it. Our job on HNM is not why we complain. Altho most of time our only A+ skill proves useless like Septimus said at HNMs, well more like sky NMs, it's actually easier to land it on HNMs IMO. Where is our overpower in that? Is it is so bad to want to have better armor because the job description makes it seem like we use it?

I doubt Septimus, or any other RDM, is asking for better Attack and Defense so we can be melees at HNMs. More like, we want more attack and defense, so we can kill things faster that everyone else kills as well. Yeah we can solo so many things and what not, but so can any other number of jobs. Just different strategy.

It's just annoying that SE describes RDM as the attacker mage or something along those lines and yet attack wise WHM who is then supposed to be cure pointed outdmgs us not by 10, 20 dmg, by hundreds.

[Septimus]

btw this is no Joke. The rdm forgot to fucking cure the tank and just let him die. He was too busy building TP on BUNE to bother curing aparently. When i asked why he didnt cure i got this "I am /drk, i dont have much cure power like this".............

It sounds like that Red Mage should not be in a HNM linkshell (probably bought the character) if he did not know that healing magic skill is in no way, shape, or form affected by one's sub job.

Lasitha summed it up fairly well; Red Mages aren't talking about meleeing at HNMs. I'm talking about when I'm out farming Royal Jelly from Death Jackets- throwing everything I have (Dia II, Gravity, Abs-VIT, Abs-AGI, Souleater, and Last Resort) at a mob at most 33 levels under me while eating attack food, my strongest 300% TP (increased chance of critical hits) Vorpal Blade wouldn't break 900 damage. (My best was around 874 damage or so.) Considering White Mages can hand out 1000+ damage Hexastrikes like candy on Halloween without half of the melee gear I have or a special sub to actually do a worthwhile weapon skill, that it insane.

[Benadar]

Yeah, but with Joyeuse and an enspell we out DoT a WHM any day. Also, sub /nin and use a Martial Analance main hand for some pretty nasty Savage Blades @ 200 TP.

The thing I would much rather see than higher attack is higher evasion. The only reason I can solo avatars is because their accuracy is total crap. But, when I want to solo an EM pot I think the thing missed me all of three times in a 8-10 minute battle. If I could actually stop casting for a few minutes and focus on damage it would not have been nearly as bad, but I had to stop and cast almost constantly as the mob barely missed.

[Septimus]

Yeah, but with Joyeuse and an enspell we out DoT a WHM any day. Also, sub /nin and use a Martial Analance main hand for some pretty nasty Savage Blades @ 200 TP.

The thing I would much rather see than higher attack is higher evasion. The only reason I can solo avatars is because their accuracy is total crap. But, when I want to solo an EM pot I think the thing missed me all of three times in a 8-10 minute battle. If I could actually stop casting for a few minutes and focus on damage it would not have been nearly as bad, but I had to stop and cast almost constantly as the mob barely missed.

That is only because of the insane double attack rate of the Joyeuse. If Prudence Rods become more common (double attacks when virtue stones are equipped) WHMs will probably have a comparable double attack bonus. And heaven help us all if they sub /NIN and use a Martial Rod in main hand with the Prudence Rod, Hexaspam at 200% would make me want to die.

Yeah, our evasion is pretty shit-tacular, that doesn't help us out much. Some Phalanx II action would help out a lot, but I couldn't imagine the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth that would ensue if that ever happened...

[threevo]

rdm cant get chain 5 basically solo while dual boxing with a blm for heals.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...sters/exp2.jpg

[Moggy]

WHM has a much higher Club Rating than anything BRDs have and some clubs even have good damage. the only saving grace for BRD melee is Joyeuse.

Not exactly true. WHM has a B+ club rating while BRD has a B- dagger rating.. so not exactly MUCH higher. Regarding swords, with Joyeuse and spirits within or vorpal blade, a brd has a higher damage potential.. in addition to the fact that they can wear an aweful lot of "combat" gear.

Doesn't really matter, whm was not made to be a DD, but it's still fun to have some of that gear nonetheless.

lol yeah, today i was discussing with a mnk, brd is the job that can get highest str+ in game, funny how hecatomb set has str on all but legs and bard AF legs have 5 str, bard can wear alky hands, all ur DD back and belts, rings earrings nothing special, neck nothing special, but range slot we get a str+6 instruments thats basically always active for a bard that sings lol, only bad thing is our most dmging WS is eviscrition (sp) and unless u upgrade a relic dagger the natural dmg on daggers we can use doesn't allow super numbers, however i would agree that against an IT mob a whm doesn't have enough attack power to do dmg compared to a brd

after all, by the time u get near 75 u sing 2 minuet for over 120 attack that whm no other mage "should" be getting

[Septimus]

rdm cant get chain 5 basically solo while dual boxing with a blm for heals.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...sters/exp2.jpg

But that's not solo then, that is duoing with another character that you control.

[threevo]

hes done it without =\ no SS tho.

[Makochin]

Ninja can solo merit at a pretty decent xp/hr as well.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/954/10jf1.jpg

Chain 2

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3657/22yf1.jpg