PLD's, end game tanking advice

[Demetrios]

Bomb queen ring only makes the damage of Firaga III go up. The flying flame balls he throws at you are based on magic damage, and its damage is related to shell, shining ruby, and minus/plus magic damage gear.

[Fira]

like i said, i notice no diffrence in damage, and blm should be stunning firaga3's

[ImPreSSivE]

*sigh*.. nins still think they can do everything as good as a pld? anyway.. tanking gods isnt hard, and if you can get someone to dispell them, they are kind of easy. just use 1 pld at a time and all heals should be on him/her. when i tank seriyu its easy until he 2hours, then i run away and usually die to some fire spells.. where then a another pld takes my place for the rest of the fight. you should really get a ranger to dispell them it makes it a lot easier. my gear is nothing special.. AF, koenig hands, adaman head, durandal blah blah, BQ ring. it will be easy after a while.

and why do people actually think nin > pld when plds can tank everything while nins cant and struggle to tank anything. *sigh* plds tank all the big game, you can brag bout cherry, which a pld can tank. /clap

[Genosync]

when i tank seiryu its easy until he 2hours, then i run away and usually die to some fire spells..

Yes, and Suzaku does Hundred Fists.

How much stuff have you killed in sky? kthxw

[Amarok]

and why do people actually think nin > pld when plds can tank everything while nins cant and struggle to tank anything. *sigh* plds tank all the big game, you can brag bout cherry, which a pld can tank. /clap

All future posts from you will not be taken seriously.

[Genosync]

All future posts from you will not be taken seriously.

I thought another part of what he said was worse.

[Amarok]

I assume he just mixed up seiryu and suzaku.

[Darkvalentine]

When we were ready to do Byakko for the first time in our LS a while back we had two PLD. One was in full Adaman as you were and the other wore his AF+only the Adaman head. Both are very very good PLD. The one in Adaman plopped to the ground in 5 seconds, whereas the one in the AF tanked Byakko the whole fight. I've never seen any PLD tank gods in Adaman gear.

Pfft i tanked Byakko! and i last longer then freaking 30 sec like most of u guys say...

[Twolves]

and why do people actually think nin > pld when plds can tank everything while nins cant and struggle to tank anything. *sigh* plds tank all the big game, you can brag bout cherry, which a pld can tank. /clap

I agree.

[Zaris]

and why do people actually think nin > pld when plds can tank everything while nins cant and struggle to tank anything. *sigh* plds tank all the big game, you can brag bout cherry, which a pld can tank. /clap

Love thy neighbor.

I use to be a big ninja hater until my linkshellmate Carnageasada went from DRG to NIN. At first I was puzzled. Then as he leveled more and more and we did more and more stuff together I began to see the ups (and downs) of the job.

Paladins can't tank everything in endgame. But there's some big game Ninjas prefer to stay away from. In the end there's a spot for either type of tank. But saying 'yadayada > yadayada' isn't, in my opinion, a proper way to look at things, simply because every job in this game has a drawback, and thus you compensate for its flaws by partying up with other jobs.

One day you'll witness a monster where every hit is an AoE attack. Then you'll witness a monster that hits more then the average Joe Shmoe can withstand. Then you'll learn to see both PLD and NINs as equals.


Probably a stupid question, but I wonder what you people think of the Gigant Mantle. I heard some mixed views: some say HP+80 all the way, others say the DEF is so low one would rather stick with the Behemoth Mantle...

[Pali]

Nin vs Pld debates are silly, here's why.

Both tanks are nothing without their support. And depending on the support you have is what determines who's better.

Plds thrive when you have a lot of Smn for AA rotation, and a lot of Whms for /Smn and to cure bomb. They can hold hate better and let DDs go all out more.

Nins thrive when you don't have a lot of that. They can't hold hate as well so DDs need to wait longer to go all out. On the upside they conserve a lot more MP.

Hate vs Mp Conservation.

personally I enjoy Nin tanks better on endgame mobs. I'd rather have a longer fight go smoothly then have it go fast and be dying for MP. Then again, my LS has 1-2 active Smns at the moment, and only 1-2 active Whms, with only one who uses /Smn. So guess which Tank we use most.

[Zaris]

Totally agree. Depending on how your linkshell is formatted will determine what kind of support tanks get. It may also determine which tanks you'll use more then others. So it really depends on how the groups form in the beginning.

[Darthtaco]

that ring i havent been able to get off that NM in Bostaunieux Oubliette 72 hr pop but its got +50hp -10 mp u can use it in all situations unlike bomb queen ring cant fight suzaku with bomb queen ; ; bomb queen is good

bomb queen ring makes no diffrence. With ring on take same damage then with it off ;3 our pld's tank tiamat with it on aswell, and say it makes no diffrence.

thats why i said suzaku he cast firaga III breaths dont seem to make a diff u can where bomb queen ring at nid take a breath wont make any dif i think u misunderstood what i was trying to say

[Russta]

i think u misunderstood what i was trying to say

I could take a few guesses as to why.

[mdn]

it's fire resistance, not fire damage taken. you don't resist against god mobs or tiamat anyway which is why the -75 fire from the BQ ring makes no difference.

[Zetah]

oh, go shove a tampon up your ass.

75 PLD / 71 NIN

Did I mention I'm 75 PLD also?

Any <good> NIN will keep hate almost identically compared to PLD. If you're going to try to throw the utsusemi patch in our faces then think again, the only amount of hate lost is about the amount as the hate you gain from casting blink -- which isn't much at all. Provided you are smart with your enfeebles, nukes, and job abilities along with the +25 enmity gear that ninja uses on earth staff tanking mobs, hate is very stable, esecially with SATA. Including this, they keep blinks up which is a lot less hate lost than getting hit for 200-300 damage, can keep it up a VERY consistent amount, and take the same damage as PLD.

My original comment was meant to be pessimistic and a, if you will, depressed comment about how inferior a good pld is versus a good ninja. And just to spark up some shit. Eitherway, both tanks work hand in hand, and PLD two hour is a lot better than Ninja two hour, and can grab hate better at the beginning of fights due to access of more jas, but eventually the nin will just build up more gradual hate.

[Elcura]

NINs have to be more careful it seems, one mistake will cause either death or panic among mages. One thing I hated about having to heal NINs in EXP PTs is that when they got hit, boy did they get hit hard, and if they got hit with a WS then my heart would jump out of my mouth and slap me awake to heal the NIN.

[Twolves]

End game a smart ninja can hold hate just as well as pld/war if they know how to play there job. Also with arhat+1 head and body,earth staff,and jelly ring we take the same damage as full koenig paladins per hit on every hnm(sometimes less). Only problem with nin is there low base hp which can be made up for easy.

Either way i like tanking with paladins or ninjas. Doesn't matter to me as long as the job gets done ^^

This is a post about end game paladin not ninja anyways Why bring this crap up again?

[Mav]

A good ninja can hold just as much hate if not more hate then a good pld. There really are not very many good ninja's though at least that i have seen. If you have 1-2 good ninja's there really is no need to pld tank anything, a good ninja can tank anything in this game better then good PLD. And what i mean by better is hold just as much hate while requireing much less MP from the mages.

edit: also while ninja tanking you get better debuffs, both ninja Blind and Slow are far better then the rdm versions.

[Genosync]

NIN/BLM GO GO GO~

Ninja = Paladin on crack

Too bad they both have their uses.

There is no 'better' tank. They both are good for certain mobs, and then sometimes you just use both for the hell of it.

As mentioned before in this thread, it all comes down to what the fuck are you fighting.