PLD's, end game tanking advice

[Orfeo]

*sigh*.. nins still think they can do everything as good as a pld? anyway.. tanking gods isnt hard, and if you can get someone to dispell them, they are kind of easy. just use 1 pld at a time and all heals should be on him/her. when i tank seriyu its easy until he 2hours, then i run away and usually die to some fire spells.. where then a another pld takes my place for the rest of the fight. you should really get a ranger to dispell them it makes it a lot easier. my gear is nothing special.. AF, koenig hands, adaman head, durandal blah blah, BQ ring. it will be easy after a while.

and why do people actually think nin > pld when plds can tank everything while nins cant and struggle to tank anything. *sigh* plds tank all the big game, you can brag bout cherry, which a pld can tank. /clap

Hey, know what isn't cool? People that take shit from a linkshell, quit the game, come back a few monthes later and demand wyrmal legs. Then they quit the next day.

[ImPreSSivE]

lol.. mav your a idiot im not even going to comment your post.. geno, ive partied with u a few times as lower lvls and you havent changed, ur a big headed @$$hole. i really cant think of no one else except me that ever mixed up 2 things by accident. amarok, i only said that because previous posts said the same thing in reverse and its annoying how nins think they can do everything, and its no where near true ( look at mavs post ). like they said nin/pld arguments are stupid and i agree but i take defense when people say that, and somehow think they are superior to pld, when war/nin can do anything a nin can. well i really dont care bout nin/pld crap so think w.e you want, i know what pld can do and what nin cant, dont be mad cuz we dont need to blow $$ to be a average tank. and orfeo, i never took anything, i never quit, so wtf u talking bout? i didnt "demand" anything either.. im not the one who lots on gear u cant use for 5 lvls with 10 75s around you, deserving it a lot more than you.

k ill be waiting for geno's next flame attempting to pwnz0r me with a kthx.. *sigh* ur the kind of person that will take someones smallest error to make urself stand out, in other words your a lil coward =/

and sorry if i mixed up then and than... use common sense, idiot, and you will know what i meant <3

[Zetah]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NIN > PLD

[Xavier]

Also with arhat+1 head and body,earth staff,and jelly ring we take the same damage as full koenig paladins per hit on every hnm(sometimes less). Only problem with nin is there low base hp which can be made up for easy.

what. the. fuck. are. you. smoking? Out of every post I've ever read on these forums, thats the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Honestly trying to say you'd take less dmg than someone with +70 vit and 1000 defense? Reality check please.

Also, this thread has yet to address pld/nin, which imo is a superior version to ninja on almost any HNM. Why? Because with the proper setup, pld/nin not only has the same ability to hold hate as nin/war, they are not useless when things get bad. Tiamat, for example, a pld/nin who has hate while hes flying has the ability to spam cure iv on himself to maintain his hate as the fireballs rape him, a ninja simply bends over and takes it.

So yes, in the end, I agree that on 95% of monsters, NIN > PLD/WAR, but PLD/NIN is top dawg if you have your shit together.

[Zetah]

Arhat's Gi+1 + Arhat's Jinpachi +1 + Jelly Ring + Earth Staff = -40% physical damage, compared to -25%. It's not totally bizaare that a NIN can at times take less, even consistently less. -15% is a ton more damage taken less.

Twolves isn't smoking anything. Guy's like the Midgardsormr reknown best ninja.

About the VIT+ and defense thing, VIT only like lowers the cap of damage you can take, it has nothing to do with consistent damage. Defense also sort of like "caps out", defense gear makes little to no difference at high levels, unlike what SE REALLY should have made it like. If they changed VIT+ to make it so that the damage curve is lowered per hit, that would be cool.

[Zigma]

NIN/BLM GO GO GO~

It sucks, I tried it.

[Onizuka]

NINs have to be more careful it seems, one mistake will cause either death or panic among mages. One thing I hated about having to heal NINs in EXP PTs is that when they got hit, boy did they get hit hard, and if they got hit with a WS then my heart would jump out of my mouth and slap me awake to heal the NIN.

/sigh, i died a few times from sleeping mages one actually told me "your a nin i should have to cure"....came from the whm while i lay dead

I realized i couldn't pt forever on nin like with drk i could pt for 10 hours if everybody wanted to, on drk. With nin when it was late id start messing up and ppl would die lol, i killed alot of rngs on late night sky pt's LOL!

One thing i have to say pld can keep hate better than nin, i find that so obvious.....pld made to tank nin made to DD, hmmm

Nin can take dmg better than pld, by that i mean they have 7 shadows and high evasion to not get hit at all.

Pld has a lot of hate keeping skills and abilitys to take dmg well.

you can have nin/sam/drk/war/mnk/rdm or pld/rng/sam/blm/rdm/whm. With the nin pt you only have 1 mage and the melee are doing avg DOT so nin has hate and is taking 0dmg and it works well. With the pld pt you have alot of mages and alot of dmg, pld keeps hate well so the sam/rng/blm can do as they please, in the end the results are the same just diffrent set ups.

[Mav]

what. the. fuck. are. you. smoking? Out of every post I've ever read on these forums, thats the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Honestly trying to say you'd take less dmg than someone with +70 vit and 1000 defense? Reality check please.

Also, this thread has yet to address pld/nin, which imo is a superior version to ninja on almost any HNM. Why? Because with the proper setup, pld/nin not only has the same ability to hold hate as nin/war, they are not useless when things get bad. Tiamat, for example, a pld/nin who has hate while hes flying has the ability to spam cure iv on himself to maintain his hate as the fireballs rape him, a ninja simply bends over and takes it.

So yes, in the end, I agree that on 95% of monsters, NIN > PLD/WAR, but PLD/NIN is top dawg if you have your shit together.

Twolves has been the main tank for every major HNM in this game, (other then the new sea shit) so you might want to listen to him. and there is no way a pld/nin can keep up in hate with a Nin/war.

[Leaping Lizzy]

After reading this thread I think I'm going to kill myself. BG Forums suck.

[Darkvalentine]

what. the. fuck. are. you. smoking? Out of every post I've ever read on these forums, thats the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Honestly trying to say you'd take less dmg than someone with +70 vit and 1000 defense? Reality check please.

Also, this thread has yet to address pld/nin, which imo is a superior version to ninja on almost any HNM. Why? Because with the proper setup, pld/nin not only has the same ability to hold hate as nin/war, they are not useless when things get bad. Tiamat, for example, a pld/nin who has hate while hes flying has the ability to spam cure iv on himself to maintain his hate as the fireballs rape him, a ninja simply bends over and takes it.

So yes, in the end, I agree that on 95% of monsters, NIN > PLD/WAR, but PLD/NIN is top dawg if you have your shit together.

Twolves has been the main tank for every major HNM in this game, (other then the new sea shit) so you might want to listen to him. and there is no way a pld/nin can keep up in hate with a Nin/war.

Provoke do u have it?

and ive done what Twolves equip set up he has and NInja can really take
less DMG then a pld if u play it rigth.Hate issue with a PLd/nin ill like to see a Pld/nin try to take hate from a ninja spaming elemental wheel and at the same time dealing >DoT.

[Scunsion]

in my experiences when tanking Tiamat with Xavier, Lito, and Bikk yes im able to get hate and tank but i think its much easier for the pld/nin to build up a lot of hate very quickly with cures as well as flash + their abilities. i think its really pimp tanking tiamat on ninja but when it comes down to it curing for hate is just a lot more then spamming elemental wheel

[Moggy]

what. the. fuck. are. you. smoking? Out of every post I've ever read on these forums, thats the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Honestly trying to say you'd take less dmg than someone with +70 vit and 1000 defense? Reality check please.

Also, this thread has yet to address pld/nin, which imo is a superior version to ninja on almost any HNM. Why? Because with the proper setup, pld/nin not only has the same ability to hold hate as nin/war, they are not useless when things get bad. Tiamat, for example, a pld/nin who has hate while hes flying has the ability to spam cure iv on himself to maintain his hate as the fireballs rape him, a ninja simply bends over and takes it.

So yes, in the end, I agree that on 95% of monsters, NIN > PLD/WAR, but PLD/NIN is top dawg if you have your shit together.

Twolves has been the main tank for every major HNM in this game, (other then the new sea shit) so you might want to listen to him. and there is no way a pld/nin can keep up in hate with a Nin/war.

Provoke do u have it?

and ive done what Twolves equip set up he has and NInja can really take
less DMG then a pld if u play it rigth.Hate issue with a PLd/nin ill like to see a Pld/nin try to take hate from a ninja spaming elemental wheel and at the same time dealing >DoT.

hmm i guess u haven't faught tiamat, jourgamound, or vrtra if ur planning to spam elemental wheel for hate, lets remind u, each elemental ninjutsu u do to maintain hate gives a monster 10 TP, now those 3 wyrms have a very interesting TP move, AoE dmg+para, dmg+disease, dmg+sleep, and they have a fairly large radius
i dunno abut other ls's, my ls fights them without a pld engaged, flash doesn't give TP, debuffs don't give TP, they are the only magic i see ppl spamming on them, smn's do spinning dive (1 hit for a reason, its not really the most powerful, but it is most dmg for TP given), and sometimes SATA from a SAM
while of course u could spam it and get hate, but for the TP u give, and chance u die in 2 hits after AoE, i don't think its worth doing

[Zaris]

Xavier is right. When a situation goes bad, that's when the paladin really can work to straighten bad situations out. Think of all the job abilities a standard Paladin has - Sentinel, Shield Bash, Rampart, Invincible - juxtapose that with magic and your subjob abilities (Flash, Cure III, Cure IV, Provoke, Utsusemi) and you pretty much have somebody who can spike enmity to unbelievable bounds...without giving the enemy any TP, short of him hitting you.

What limits paladins is the recharge cylce of those abilities. If every one of the abilities were a single minute (or less) long to recharge, we'd probably make the monsters notice us more often since we'd spam hate like what a ninja would spam - kurayami, hojo, jubaku. That's probably why people say paladins can spike hate, but can't hold it at its peak for long. Whereas a ninja spamming at least three different debuff spells in a circle every 45 seconds can just keep building enmity higher and higher.

It's really hard to tank Tiamat or Jor as a PLD/NIN. But if you take all the information above and put it with really good support, SATA players, white mages, red mages, man, there is a lot of potential.

[Hirronimus]

Just curious, but have anyone tried a NIN/PLD combo? I mean, you get Flash, Sentinel and Cures from subbing PLD, along with higher DEF(Prolly not much) and more VIT(same as DEF most likely).

[Scunsion]

yeah bikkwin did lol

[Zaris]

What was the result? O_o

[Scunsion]

they told him to switch to pld

[Hirronimus]

Heh, at least he tried something new.

[asze]

Back on Topic:

Personally it varies on the situation. If your going to be kiting something then I would suggest a mixture of both Enmity and HP. For straight tanking i go all out HP. Reason is simple, I've checked out my damage from going all out DEF and going out HP, and personally I'm getting my ass kicked on both ends.

I'd rather have an extra +400 HP from my Accessories and Food which will give my Mages the buffer they need to keep me alive and therefore keep everyone else alive. *Example: Survived with 1HP @Byakko last night ><* I'm only counting, earrings, back and food in the 400hp so granted I have a lot more when you add the rest of the gear. So far my total HP is 1822, can't break that stupid 1900 HP cap. As for body I always go for AF1 unless I'm just screwing around or Kitin on PLD/NIN then use Adaman.

Adaman is sexy to look at, but there are far superior parts to use, I haven't been able to get a set of the AF2 Feet or I would wear those, for the moment I use my Adaman Feet for the HP/Def/Vit/Enmity. Koenig Hands for Straight tanking, AF2 Hands for PLD/NIN. Legs Crimson, I've yet to find a reason to take them off as PLD and nobody has yet to convince me =). Eh, I didn't get Intimidated to Jormungand so I'm good, until he does and then I'll just be pissed ><.

If you choose to go the HP Route, you DONT Have to break the bank, I'm not sure wtf is up with the Physical Earrings, but I did notice that they did Convert 20 MP > HP or whatever, I didn't read up on them enough, since I already had my Bloodbead/Cassie to bother with the others.

Food wise, I personally think that Pescatora just well....Kicks Royal Ass. If I remember its +23%Def +15%HP +2Vit. For the HP it gives, man its nothing short of sexy, 150HP is the cap and at 75 well...you get it.

Try different things out, you might notice a difference, its all about finding out the right way that YOU want to play it. Regardless I use Earth Staff, unless im doing PLD/NIN in which I switch to Koenig Shield, I might pick up a Durandal for its Enmity, but personally that thing is just butt ugly and prefer the Joyeuse =).

Asze.

*Edit: Physical Earrings portion MP > HP

[Twolves]

Also with arhat+1 head and body,earth staff,and jelly ring we take the same damage as full koenig paladins per hit on every hnm(sometimes less). Only problem with nin is there low base hp which can be made up for easy.

what. the. fuck. are. you. smoking? Out of every post I've ever read on these forums, thats the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Honestly trying to say you'd take less dmg than someone with +70 vit and 1000 defense? Reality check please.

No pld has 1000 defense unless they have double minne 2 houred. With -40%
damage taken and about 550 defense on my ninja with tavnazian taco i take less dmg then most paladins per hit and around the same as a full koenig paladin. If you don't believe it have someone try it out because theres really nothing to argue. This has been known for a long time

I've tanked all the wyrms with every other type of tank. PLD/WAR,PLD/NIN,and other NIN/WAR and i have always kept up in hate with everyone of them no problem at all. With all +enmity(+33 or so) after a roar i can get hate back in about 1 min with just warcry and provoke.

Find out what NIN really can do before you go off knocking them for no reason.

This is a thread asking for pld help not a battle between pld and nin.