Simurgh the -New HNM-

[derzoll]

On Pandemonium, the best JP's have killed Tiamat and Jormungand with 18 people, no more, no less. They are now trying Jormungand with 12, and have made it pretty far 40%~ or so. They made a new LS for it especially, named "NextLevelChallenge"

[Firestarter]

well right after the update a ls claimed behemoth (2 people) they duo'd him to about 5% health and then begain the kiting. they kited him for about 30min. i suppose they wanted to see how tough that he really would become. well they had a blm show up and bind behemoth, right next to the 2 members of my party, elite was on his 75 war with full god gear, well heres the picture.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y10...7-13-15-00.jpg

[Kiro]

:OOOOO

[NynJa]

well right after the update a ls claimed behemoth (2 people) they duo'd him to about 5% health and then begain the kiting. they kited him for about 30min. i suppose they wanted to see how tough that he really would become. well they had a blm show up and bind behemoth, right next to the 2 members of my party, elite was on his 75 war with full god gear, well heres the picture.

So they MPKed you...

[Okan]

I've killed Fafnir a few times.. While it generally took around an hour to kill. but still.. I understand making HNMs harder so people can't hold them, but they're also killing new LS's hopes of ever killing anything. They'll mess up but if they manage to recover.. they'll die now.

The second part is now is that it's almost making PLD useless.. They'll hit harder. Killing them faster.

[NynJa]

Killed Nidhogg for my first time tonight...first time for anyone in my shell; took about 45 minutes, 0 sleeps, 2 deaths at the end from overzealous blm's.


the other NA shell who fought it on their first time took like 2 1/2 hours and was asking for outside raises n shit and had to sleep it like 15 times, lol.

[Okan]

Killed Nidhogg for my first time tonight...first time for anyone in my shell; took about 45 minutes, 0 sleeps, 2 deaths at the end from overzealous blm's.


the other NA shell who fought it on their first time took like 2 1/2 hours and was asking for outside raises n shit and had to sleep it like 15 times, lol.

How many times have you killed Fafnir though? That's probably the difference.. Nidhogg isn't any harder than Fafnir in my opinion.

[NynJa]

Killed Nidhogg for my first time tonight...first time for anyone in my shell; took about 45 minutes, 0 sleeps, 2 deaths at the end from overzealous blm's.


the other NA shell who fought it on their first time took like 2 1/2 hours and was asking for outside raises n shit and had to sleep it like 15 times, lol.

How many times have you killed Fafnir though? That's probably the difference.. Nidhogg isn't any harder than Fafnir in my opinion.

8 or 9 tops...but yea...Nidhogg was a joke lol

the LS I was refering to before used to gloat how they can kill Faf with 12 ppl (both events took place before the patch), and they had atleast 15 or so Faf kills under their belt.

[Russta]

Killed Nidhogg for my first time tonight...first time for anyone in my shell; took about 45 minutes, 0 sleeps, 2 deaths at the end from overzealous blm's.


the other NA shell who fought it on their first time took like 2 1/2 hours and was asking for outside raises n shit and had to sleep it like 15 times, lol.

How many times have you killed Fafnir though? That's probably the difference.. Nidhogg isn't any harder than Fafnir in my opinion.

We've had Fafnir's harder than Nidhogg's. All that's relevent to the difficulty of either fight is how many Hurricane Wing's he does and not much else.

[Okan]

From what I heard.. Fafnir is usually a harder fight with less HP. Nidhogg likes to use Mighty Strikes in place of Hurricane Wing.. Don't get me wrong, I know he uses the ability (We were outpulled ever Nidhogg pop), but it just seemed that he used it a lot less.

[Skeiron]

If Nidhogg follows the same pattern as other wyrms such as Tiamat, during Mighty Strikes he shouldn't be able to use tp abilities (ie: wing).

At the moment, the one hour timer is very much more than enough time for us to kill Fafnir with whatever we have on at the time (like today, we had 5 tanks cause thats what showed up). If we reorganized the parties and went with the most efficient setup I'm sure we could do Fafnir in under 30 easily (fastest Nidhogg kill was 21 minutes, after another Ls wiped and we weren't in the pit... had time to reorganize PT and destroy it). 1 hour is pretty generous, but with that update on Monday, who knows whats gonna happen.

Hey Quicklet, how many Kraken Clubs do you guys have? (Yes this question is relevant to this thread)

[Maguspk]

A Japanese LS on our server beat Tiamat with around 20 people. I think it took them 5 hours. They did the entire fight Fafnir-Style (with everyone standing on his claws).
Then again, this same LS Solo-Kited (literally, it was a Taru PLD without a party) King Behemoth for 30 minutes while support arrived.

Being able to do those kinds of things is really impressive, but at the same time makes HNMs easily abused (i.e. Holding NMs)

I think the time limit thing is a great change, but I'm still a bit confused/skeptical on the new Claiming system.

Well uh, that sucks for them, the only way we do Tiamat up in Lakshmi is Fafnir Style, 4 hours our first Tiamat and around 2 hours every time after that... Guess we just PWN YOU ALL! lol

[Faranim]

Our fastest Tiamat took 64 minutes. Average is around 75 minutes now. But we don't fight it with everyone on the claws.

Usually around 24-30 people for the fight when we do it. Although we probably won't be camping it much anymore since we already have a ton of Gaiters (7 maybe?) and there aren't many other members of the shell deserving of a pair.

Anyone who can't kill Fafnir within 60 minutes deserves to wipe. Even if you've never fought Fafnir before, 60 minutes is enough time to learn the strategy, so you can kill it the 2nd time around.

We've seen JP HNMLS kill Fafnir in slightly over an hour with 8-10 people, using WAR/PLD as their main tank. A long time ago we had a 45 minute Fafnir with 8 people (this was before RNG nerf), but small parties killing Fafnir in an hour is still very feasible.

Same for all these other HNM.

Aspidochelone is super gay with Crimson Drops. We've gotten 2x Dalmatica, and various 1x Dalmatica with Koenig Feet, but we haven't gotten a single Crimson Body in over a year.

Defending Ring basically stopped dropping for us a year ago too. We win a decent amount of KBs but the ring never drops for us.

Fafnir has dropped 2-3 Ridills in a row for us. Hrotti also seems to do the same thing (drop multiple days in a row and then stop dropping for a long time)

[Maguspk]

it seems like all you linkshells get herald's gaiters all the time, we haven't gotten a single pair yet ; ; damnit i really could use a pair lol

[Faranim]

We got 3-4 pairs before the patch that nerfed the drop rate

Seems to only drop around 25% now.

[hammy]

lol, we've got like 9 crimson bodies to drop. i was camping it for the better part of a year to complete my koenig and every single time crimson dropped it was so annoying... they just rotted after a while. is not even that good, is for looks i guess.

[Octavious]

lol, we've got like 9 crimson bodies to drop. i was camping it for the better part of a year to complete my koenig and every single time crimson dropped it was so annoying... they just rotted after a while. is not even that good, is for looks i guess.

Crimson Body is teh sweest gear ever , can only dream of beating JP to the claim and actually getting it on CaitSith however. like, 4 NA have it in total. There is 1 JP LS that claims Aspi 90% of the time and they give it to their RNG now. -.-';

[Sylvana]

Seems every server is diff. Crimson Body drops on Cerberus quite regularly but M feet is scarce from what I've seen. My LS alone has 5~6 Crimson Bodies. And KB just flat out loves us, got our 6th defending ring dropped yesterday. Niddy is still a stingy bitch with M Body tho.

[Octavious]

Seems every server is diff. Crimson Body drops on Cerberus quite regularly but M feet is scarce from what I've seen. My LS alone has 5~6 Crimson Bodies. And KB just flat out loves us, got our 6th defending ring dropped yesterday. Niddy is still a stingy bitch with M Body tho.

I cried a little when I read this, lol. Crimson Body...me wants it...my preccciioouuussss

[Tape]

Seems every server is diff. Crimson Body drops on Cerberus quite regularly but M feet is scarce from what I've seen. My LS alone has 5~6 Crimson Bodies. And KB just flat out loves us, got our 6th defending ring dropped yesterday. Niddy is still a stingy bitch with M Body tho.

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