interesting

[RustyMetal]

In the end I think SE nerfs us based on the "BLM partys". So if we get nerfed, MNK your next, because mnk pts > blm pt.

[Orfeo]

-I never knew AA fights were "BLMPT ONRY"...You may CHOOSE to do it in that fashion, but its not the only way to win.

I didn't say they are "BLMPT ONRY". I said YOU CAN EASILY MANABURN THEM. 18WAR vs AA, who will win?

-I've done plenty of KS30's on my thf. Though some are more suited for BLM PT's, it is not a requirement.

No shit. I've done 4 KS30's all with normal party setups. I never said that it's the only way to do it, I said you CAN. Hmm I should try a 6 melee attempt at ODS. Ya that will go over well.

-You XP on shit too high for you, and you get resisted. BLM's dont have the capabilities to survive. They are very succeptable to getting 2-shotted.

Please explain to me how black mages get chain5 for 400+ then. I'm really curious about this.

-Why the fuck would you do dynamis with only BLM's ?? AF ??
Currency ?? Those wont exist...

I recall seeing screenshots of a BLM only dynamis awhile back.

-I dont recall BLM's cumming in their pants going "imma fuck seiryu up". They are limited to one type of spell, and even then they get resisted quite a bit.

Again.. BLM as the only DD can easily take down any sky god.

-Jeuno HNM's ?? "OMG I NEED TEH BLMZ TO KILL SERKET"....no lol.

Erm, since yesterday unless you want to get your ass kicked by roc you need to kill them fast. BLM dd on jeuno HNM=fast kills.

I never said that these things are BLM only. I said they can be. I said you can't do them with melees. I did say you can't do them with only melees, but you can with only BLM's.

Ya thats overpowered.

[Elcura]

In the end I think SE nerfs us based on the "BLM partys". So if we get nerfed, MNK your next, because mnk pts > blm pt.

MNK PTs only shine at 75 and only in one place, with a limited amount of PTs... about 2 max if both are roaming.

MNK PTs require skilled mages to make more exp then BLM PTs

MNK PTs require a certain job setup and good gear, as well as skilled pulling and smart placement.

BLM PTs work from 50, perhaps even earlier then that, and work almost anywhere.

BLM PTs require 5 BLMs that don't even have to be good to make a lot of exp, i've seen BLMs come back from doing 10 levels of straight manaburning and are so shit it makes you wonder how they got that level in the first place.

BLM PTs don't even need great gear, cause your spells own or the other BLMs cover for your gimpness.

[layoneil]

how about every CoP wyrm?

how about you try doing Jorm and Vrtra without one BLM handling adds. i know i can do it without 1 DRG, SAM, DRK, THF, BST in either the main or add alliance. can you say the same for BLM?

-I never knew AA fights were "BLMPT ONRY"...You may CHOOSE to do it in that fashion, but its not the only way to win.
-I've done plenty of KS30's on my thf. Though some are more suited for BLM PT's, it is not a requirement.
-Why the fuck would you do dynamis with only BLM's ?? AF ?? Currency ?? Those wont exist...

it might not be BLM PT ONRY, but you going to deny it's easier to do those with all BLMs than without any?

if you had 18 people all with 15 jobs at 75 what's the fastest, shortest, safest job setup to do the AABC?

if you had 40 people all with 75 BLM, DRK, DRG, SAM, THF, WAR and all of them can only pick one job, what's the best one to go in Dynamis with? (assume there are already 20 spots filled with PLDs, NINs, BRDs, WHMs, RDMs)

-You XP on shit too high for you, and you get resisted. BLM's dont have the capabilities to survive. They are very succeptable to getting 2-shotted.

as if SAMs, DRKs, WARs, THFs can XP on those.

anything that would resist BLMs mercilessly would be missfest for all melees. giving examples to show BLM mortality does not take away from them being overpowered compared to other jobs.

[Zantai]

Lol sorry but the only way blms don't need good gear for manaburn is if they are tarus or if they are manaburning on really low level stuff.. thats one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen. As a hume I will still get resists every once in a while on krt bones, even if I am wearing every piece of elemental magic gear in existance, vulcan staff, and almost full merits, and one resist can break a chain unless the bard is pulling very fast. If I had crap gear I would be getting resists all the time. Manaburning with crap gear=3k per hour instead of 10k per hour.

[RustyMetal]

You guys are forgetting the fact that say, once of the scorps doesent die, maybe has 2% heath left, and doesent die like the rest? Meaning it runs over to you, Does million AoE spam stun shit, then wipes your PT.

Same thing happens in the AA fight, I did it with a blm party, but i also lost 10k exp, because we never killed the galka and it would murder us in seconds.

Same thing with exp partys, you fighting shit too high your not going to be able to sleep it, if its resisting your ele magic, and your enf is lower, your pt is wiped.

and sky gods? what are you talking about 300dmg on aeroga III with ES on kirin is NOT impressive.

[Orfeo]

And melee hitting 1/5 swings for 50~ is impressive?

[layoneil]

You guys are forgetting the fact that say, once of the scorps doesent die, maybe has 2% heath left, and doesent die like the rest? Meaning it runs over to you, Does million AoE spam stun shit, then wipes your PT.

Same thing happens in the AA fight, I did it with a blm party, but i also lost 10k exp, because we never killed the galka and it would murder us in seconds.

and you are forgetting when i said this on the second page

but the underpowered jobs don't even have a chance to mess up, they will die no matter how hard they try to do it.

just being able to try and mess up makes BLM more overpowered than the jobs that can't even try. are you getting it yet?

i've seen the BLM AABC Alliance mess up, you get raised and you go back in again.

i've seen a regular AABC Alliance mess up, they go home because people are deflated that they lost after using up Invincible and Benediction and Soul Voice, etc, etc.

same for the guy who said you can SMN Alliance the AA, you mess up, you don't get to Raise up and try again right away.

[NynJa]

-You XP on shit too high for you, and you get resisted. BLM's dont have the capabilities to survive. They are very succeptable to getting 2-shotted.

Please explain to me how black mages get chain5 for 400+ then. I'm really curious about this.

I've seen screenies of standard XP parties getting chain 5 450 xp.
Hell, I've gotten chain 5 300 xp on my lv30 sam TANKING yuhtunga without a PL.

-Why the fuck would you do dynamis with only BLM's ?? AF ??
Currency ?? Those wont exist...

I recall seeing screenshots of a BLM only dynamis awhile back.

And I recall reading they got like a total of 0 AF's and 50 currencies total.

[Octavious]

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[Orfeo]

I've seen screenies of standard XP parties getting chain 5 450 xp.
Hell, I've gotten chain 5 300 xp on my lv30 sam TANKING yuhtunga without a PL.

Proof please. 300 is possible. 450...normal party, as in with melees: no.

And I recall reading they got like a total of 0 AF's and 50 currencies total.

Fact is they still did it.

[Twolves]

I'd like to see provoke removed from paladins and ninjas so war is the only tank. That would be awesome :D

[Almaa]

I'd like to see provoke removed from paladins and ninjas so war is the only tank. That would be awesome :D

paladins and ninjas don't have provoke

[Orfeo]

Hehe make provoke level 38.

[Elcura]

I'd like to see provoke removed from paladins and ninjas so war is the only tank. That would be awesome :D

Unless they made Provoke lvl 40 I don't see that happening, and if they did... boy would it be hard to get to 75...

Lol sorry but the only way blms don't need good gear for manaburn is if they are tarus or if they are manaburning on really low level stuff.. thats one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen. As a hume I will still get resists every once in a while on krt bones, even if I am wearing every piece of elemental magic gear in existance, vulcan staff, and almost full merits, and one resist can break a chain unless the bard is pulling very fast. If I had crap gear I would be getting resists all the time. Manaburning with crap gear=3k per hour instead of 10k per hour.

I said they don't need great gear, I didn't say they could be fucking naked and pull in 10k/hr

[DeliriumII]

why cant the make a positive change like being able to do each dynamis 1 time per week or something instead of just one dynamis every 3 days?

instead they will prolly make dynamis cost 10M instead of 1M cause of inflation ;;

[Orfeo]

Ya.. pre74 war can't tank worth shit unless 60+ with a brd

[layoneil]

Proof please. 300 is possible. 450...normal party, as in with melees: no.

Berserk'd Dhalmels and Den of Rancor Doom Toads, it's possible but not likely.

Manaburns doing Chain 9-10 with even medicore players is not only possible but common.

[Desi]

i would absolutely LOVE to see 18 blms kill byakko, i would love it.

i never said oyu dont need blms to kill the cop dragons, its absolutely necessary, i said put the blm in the party killing the actual dragon and see how much damage they do compared to melees, congratulations you have access to a lvl 75 blm and duo with them, that means nothing to me, you were in the ss of the 18 blm aabc, you could tell a level 1 warrior how to hit enter on thundaga3 when everyone else does and do it no problem

like someone mentioned, every job is powerful in its own way. theres no other way to put it, just because you cant solo, doesnt mean that you job is gimp, the whole game isnt about soloing or killing a few things with only blms, send only blms to kill faf, wont work, send only melees to kill him, wont work to well, you need a little of each job to do things

[threevo]

i would absolutely LOVE to see 18 blms kill byakko, i would love it.

i never said oyu dont need blms to kill the cop dragons, its absolutely necessary, i said put the blm in the party killing the actual dragon and see how much damage they do compared to melees, congratulations you have access to a lvl 75 blm and duo with them, that means nothing to me, you were in the ss of the 18 blm aabc, you could tell a level 1 warrior how to hit enter on thundaga3 when everyone else does and do it no problem

like someone mentioned, every job is powerful in its own way. theres no other way to put it, just because you cant solo, doesnt mean that you job is gimp, the whole game isnt about soloing or killing a few things with only blms, send only blms to kill faf, wont work, send only melees to kill him, wont work to well, you need a little of each job to do things

SAM SAM, 16BLMs could kill fafnir easy @_@