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[Moggy]

i don't think you can really prove or disprove such a thing unless SE actually says so. Until then, better to play it safe. I've heard thf does not increase rare/ex coffer key drops, yet drop rate has improved those drops every single time I had a thf.

i thought everyone knew coffer keys drops is inverse the amount of ppl u have in PT/alliance? well i'm not 100% sure, but 99.9999% sure, since i run around soloing coffer mobs for NM's lol
it seems solo drop rate on coffer is around 25% o.O

[divisortheory]

It's really trivial to disprove.

Take a party of 2 people into Konschtat Highlands and start killing rams. Let the Thief perform every offensive action against the mob from start to finish. Repeat 5 times.

With the same party of 2 people, kill 5 more rams with the non-thief performing every offensive action against the mob from start to finish.

With the same party of 2 people, kill 5 more rams where the thief gets the FIRST hit and then disengages until the mob is dead.

Disband party, let the non-thief kill 5 more rams solo.

QED

[NynJa]

It's still a base 32 damage weapon

The damage output I've seen from decently-equiped HNM thieves is about 300 SA Sharkbite on Tiamat. Even at what windower calls 1% you need about 1000 damage to kill it.

<- 850 WS's on Tiamat as a thf...

[divisortheory]

BTW, I think Batardeau is also a 32 base damage weapon, and much more easily accessible than Mandau, although Mandau would obviously be nicer.

[NynJa]

mandau would have atk+20 to top it off.

[Marcatil]

The downside to the Mandau is the additional effect. It's a DOT thing which in some cases can really blow ass >.> However, I can't speak from personal experience of actually ever owning one (shit I don't even have the freakin relic dagger), so... yeah XD

[Takeno]

It's really trivial to disprove.

Take a party of 2 people into Konschtat Highlands and start killing rams. Let the Thief perform every offensive action against the mob from start to finish. Repeat 5 times.

With the same party of 2 people, kill 5 more rams with the non-thief performing every offensive action against the mob from start to finish.

With the same party of 2 people, kill 5 more rams where the thief gets the FIRST hit and then disengages until the mob is dead.

Disband party, let the non-thief kill 5 more rams solo.

QED

do it a 1000 so we can prove it, 5 times is not enough :X

[divisortheory]

5 times is plenty on rams where the drop rate is INSANELY different depending on whether or not TH is active. I'm not sure I've _ever_ seen 2 horns drop off a ram when there is no Treasure Hunter active in a PT. With TH2, it's almost always 2 horns. If you do it 5 times in a row, and every time you get 5 or more items even though THF didn't get the last hit, and then you do it with the non THF solo 5 times, and every time he gets crap, it's basically proven.

If you want to go overboard, use a THF with TH3 or TH4 when doing these tests just so the differences are more pronounced.


Speaking of testing, though, my test results are almost complete on Thief's Knife vs. no Thief's Knife with 1200 kills each, I'll be posting the results one of these days if I ever squeeze out these last kills with the knife.

[Serif]

5 times is plenty on rams where the drop rate is INSANELY different depending on whether or not TH is active. I'm not sure I've _ever_ seen 2 horns drop off a ram when there is no Treasure Hunter active in a PT. With TH2, it's almost always 2 horns. If you do it 5 times in a row, and every time you get 5 or more items even though THF didn't get the last hit, and then you do it with the non THF solo 5 times, and every time he gets crap, it's basically proven.

If you want to go overboard, use a THF with TH3 or TH4 when doing these tests just so the differences are more pronounced.


Speaking of testing, though, my test results are almost complete on Thief's Knife vs. no Thief's Knife with 1200 kills each, I'll be posting the results one of these days if I ever squeeze out these last kills with the knife.

I don't think you get what he means divisor. To truly run a test thoroughly or whatever. You need to run it atleast 1000 times to get a good number. I forgot what thread it was that I heard about doing it 1000 times, I think the HQ Synthesis thread? Anyways, some one posted that you need to test it 1000 times to get a far reading.

[divisortheory]

I think that was me posting the thread you're referring to (assuming you're referring to the HQ synthesis threads that appeared on Allakhazam once. If it was here, then it wasn't me). Anyway, believe me, I understand statistics, I have a master's degree in mathematics. My name doesn't come from nowhere.

That being said, you only need that many kills if you're trying to get an accurate reading of the exact percentage of the drops. If you only want to tell if a different exists between the two sets of kills, you don't need anywhere near that many. On another note, the only reason I say 5 is sufficient is because the difference in drops is so blatantly obvious when TH2 is active while killing rams. I dont' think any mob in the game experiences the same wild variations in drops. If you really want to get back into the high numbers though, then let me ask you this:

Has anyone EVER killed a ram, by themselves with nobody else in the party, and gotten 4 skins and 2 horns with TH0? It might have happened a few times. In the history of FFXI. Do the test I mentioned, if it happens 2 or 3 times out of 5 then statistically, you can say there is something different than kiling it with no Treasure Hunter. Since people have been killing rams since the beginning of time with TH0, there's your 1000+ kills to act as a base. Hence, you can conclude whether or not Treasure Hunter was active.

[Raineer]

We were wondering if maybe the JP's don't get the update notes? A very good and respectable JP LS on Siren claimed him, took him to like 10% in 25mins. They held him between 10-5% for 30 minutes waiting for their TH4 to arrive (must not have been home.) KB goes into chaos mode, they totally wipe. They stood up to him for a good 20 more minutes, but did no damage at all. He did 300, then 800, then 1200 before they gave up and all died. He also takes almost no damage.

An NA LS claims at 7% since they were next in /random. Don't let it regen (like the JP LS's would), but they waited long enough to claim for him to reset to normal. Get a free KB kill in about 8 minutes and crimson mask. <3 asshats

Why are these guys asshats? They sat around and watched a JP linkshell hold KB for 30 mins for TH4 then waited another 20 mins for them to wipe. If they know they are capable of killing it anyway what do they have to prove by letting it regen to full?

LS leader>> I know we already have been camping for a few hours and that these guys have had claim for 90 mins but when are going to let KB regen to full and spend another 45-60 mins killing it.
LS members>> F that I have shit to do.

They had previously wiped to every HNM they've ever killed (NQ's included) they have never killed anything. All the LS's on Siren allow the mobs to regen full before killing. Idk, it's just the way things are done.

As far as regen to full for better drops, i think that's pretty much bullshit. I mean, it dies and it randoms for drops. TH+ helps the random, nothing else would. They got good drops including crimson.

[Cub]

As far as I know it went:
Kyuubi pull, Exodus steal, HiddenPower steal, Solaris steal and die, HiddenPower steal back, to 1%, went unclaimed and we finished, don't think it matters after there were so many steals d;/

LMAO you didn't finish shit, BT killed it at one percent after all the bullshit KS/MPK going on. To be quite honest i would be ashamed to be in a NA ls that was there that day.

[Cub]

As far as I know it went:
Kyuubi pull, Exodus steal, HiddenPower steal, Solaris steal and die, HiddenPower steal back, to 1%, went unclaimed and we finished, don't think it matters after there were so many steals d;/

Moto you should really know your facts before saying such things. Here is as follows:

kyuubi claimed
exo KS
exo wipe
HP take
solaris KS HP
solaris wipe
HP reclaim
BT KS HP@1%, kill with Chainspell <---- wtf?

Lilmage you are a retard, I love how you say everyone else KS mpk and wipe, but you guys are always the perfect LS that never does anything wrong. For your information you got it all wrong ass, LG got it first 1 member only then she wiped, Kyuubi takes it, but starts wiping eventhoug they had people in zone, Exodus takes/KS it not knowing people in zone which imo if you are not there it's your own fault. Exodus starts to wipe at that 1hour mark. at about 30% after all the KSing going on some ranger from a sky LS tag it with EES or shadowbind, then he dies, so that is when HP took it, then Solaris LS KS them, then HP Reclaim and starting wiping, then there was 1 more KS but i wasnt sure by who exactly, and @ 0.5% i would say BT EES plus Spirits Within it~

So dont make it sound like you <HP> = perfect LS that didn't steal you ass.

[Demetrio$]

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[Cub]

ok what are you showing? That you can check someone out and take a picture? I dont get it.

[Shaoshen]

God damn Cub you are an idiot.

[Demetrio$]

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[Cub]

God damn Cub you are an idiot.

LOL you are a nobody in a nobody LS. so serious stick a sock in it.

In there he/she did not indicate their name, not the first post anyway, perfectending = teefa?. Who the hell knew that, certainly not you.

Another point i would like to make is why would you be proud to post who you are after your LS KS/MPK!? not saying it's just BT, i'm saying every NA LS on Remora that was there. If LG had the chance they would take it to, they were their like vultures just like calzone from HP waiting to provoke like he did.

[Marcatil]

God damn Cub you are an idiot.

LOL you are a nobody in a nobody LS. so serious stick a sock in it.

In there he/she did not indicate their name, not the first post anyway, perfectending = teefa?. Who the hell knew that, certainly not you.

Another point i would like to make is why would you be proud to post who you are after your LS KS/MPK!? not saying it's just BT, i'm saying every NA LS on Remora that was there. If LG had the chance they would take it to, they were their like vultures just like calzone from HP waiting to provoke like he did.

You're an idiot.

Let me point out the obvious: The Apollo Staff was signed by Fafnir. It's correlative humor given the topic of this thread.

You officially fail at life >.>

[Ashen]

I thought it was the summoner with a pixie earring