I'm just wondering...

[hammy]

ur on crack ok if u had ridill wouldnt be spouting this bullshit.

fira got ridill owns shit up on thf kkthx.

edit: well as much as a thf can cos thf is gimp, we comparing thf vs thf here

[NynJa]

the ultimate accuracy gear between Lv 62 and Lv 75.

VT mobs.

What accuracy gear is there for a thf that only becomes available after lv62 ??

Optical Hat, replaces emp pin: DEX-3 acc+10
war gloves, repaces battle gloves: acc+2



that's it, everything else is below 62. So you've got a whooping acc +11 there. it doesnt matter if mobs are VT, because you're STILL using a weapon correlated to the skill of a lv62 player, and to a lv62 player, deco's are IT++++

[Enitsu]

Nynja, you're just talking out your ass now. No one said that your offhand weapon, regardless of what it is, is based off of your attack rating. I'm sure everyone knows that.

What we're saying is, RIDILL HAS 40 DAMAGE LOL, MORE THAN DAGGER - allows for higher maximum damage on that weapon. If you think that a lv62 Warrior (if able to equip ridill) would be doing the same as a Lv75 thief using ridill - then yeah, I can see how your statements are all so far off. Sendoh is right, it's VT weapons. VT - who can't hit them? I can smack them on my summoner with no accuracy gear.

Two daggers, random numbers offhand that I remember-
-'20+15', '20+30', '20+15+20+20' - and what I guess is like 40% TP.
Dagger and Ridill
-'20+30+30', 15+20+35+40', '20+15+25+30+40+30' - and whats probably like, 72% TP.

Get it yet?

If you were a warrior with better sword rating, you'd probably be doing like 40-60 a hit with ridill. But since thief's rating isn't as high, you get like 25-40, or whatever. Someone can bring more concrete numbers. Discuss.

[Genosync]

Shut the fuck up, and discuss the issue at hand instead of being a fucking moron that throws some random insult around and tries to make whatever someone says completely pointless.

wow, you need to calm the fuck down...is your account bought, hence why you took a shitfit over my comment ??

No, my account is 100% leveled and played by myself since Oct. 2003.

[Elcura]

Does Nynja even have a Ridill? Don't knock it till you've tried it baby. I'm sure Ridill THFs love it, I bet you're just bitter cause you don't have one.

And incase you do but you don't use it, gtfo and stop complaining.

Fact is, if accuracy (even with a D weapon) is your main issue with VT (YES VT LIKE EVERYONE KEEPS MENTIONING) Weapons then you got issues.

I've PT'd with Vudoodoodoodoodoo at Deco Weapons and his damage was fine, and his hit rate was fine but his TP gain was 'holy shit!'.

[amlaruil]

Actually, war with ridill at 75 does about 80-100 per hit (by random screen shots I've seen, probably with berserk and minuet) against weapons.

[Raiko]

No, my account is 100% leveled and played by myself since Oct. 2003.

I think we both know that's a lie...

[NynJa]

Nynja, you're just talking out your ass now. No one said that your offhand weapon, regardless of what it is, is based off of your attack rating. I'm sure everyone knows that.

actually orfeo said that very thing you're saying no one said...

Two daggers, random numbers offhand that I remember-
-'20+15', '20+30', '20+15+20+20' - and what I guess is like 40% TP.
Dagger and Ridill
-'20+30+30', 15+20+35+40', '20+15+25+30+40+30' - and whats probably like, 72% TP.

Thank you for demonstrating you party with shitty thieves..15-20 dmg per swing ?? I think I was doing those kinda melee shots at lv40-50.

Last parse of mine I was averaging 45 per swing, peaking at 60, crits up to 100. That is because I dont NEED accuracy +9324234 to hit, so I drop that shit, and get more DEX, STR and ATTACK.

Fact is, if accuracy (even with a D weapon) is your main issue with VT (YES VT LIKE EVERYONE KEEPS MENTIONING) Weapons then you got issues.

so skill rating doesnt matter, because they're VT ??
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...

[Demosthenes11]

I dunno why you guys are arguing...this is kind of an opinion thing

[Orfeo]

Just because you main hand a dagger and offhand a sword, and in the equipment menu it shows "Attack 375", that doesnt mean that the offhand sword gets "Attack 375".

Where the fuck did you pull this from? That has nothing to do with anything.

Let's see, stuff a level 75 can have that a level 62 can't:

Love torque: +7 sword skill (maybe not love..? dunno one of the cop ones)
Supanoimi: +5 sword skill
Merits: +18 sword skill if capped (correct me if im wrong, i havent capped great axe but you can put 9 levels in it right?)

Hmmm... +30 sword skill. Oh wait now your sword skill is fine.

Even without these things, you can hit VT with ridill easily. Sushi, o-hat, sh, snipers, life belt, natural +dex... thats +76 acc. Times when nobody is at ulli and we were pulling golems, I have busted out my 203 skill polearm and started skilling it up. Guess what... my ACC was fine even when aggressor wasn't up.

[Drinhkinn]

Last parse of mine I was averaging 45 per swing, peaking at 60, crits up to 100.

Ima have to see that parser, because otherwise ima have to call bullshit.
Daggers, freakin christ...

[Orfeo]

Heh, ya. Nynja is full of his/herself ;p I remember seeing him post that his uber THF/RNG out damages everybody on gods....clicked his parser and most jobs beat his damage with 1 ws lol

[NynJa]

Love torque: +7 sword skill (maybe not love..? dunno one of the cop ones)
Supanoimi: +5 sword skill
Merits: +18 sword skill if capped (correct me if im wrong, i havent capped great axe but you can put 9 levels in it right?)

Jailer of Love {Where?}
Merits, lets waste ((1+2+3+3+3+3+3+3+3)x10,000 xp) 240,000 xp to cap merits for an offhanded weapon...brilliant.
You got me on the suppa though.

I remember seeing him post that his uber THF/RNG out damages everybody on gods....clicked his parser and most jobs beat his damage with 1 ws lol

Who said I out damaged everyone ??
Your big badass uber war/thf goes in for SA Steel Cyclone for 1k dmg, then you get booted the fuck out because all you do is whiff / hit for 0.
;;

[Xavier]

Nynja, you need to act right before you get smacked right. You don't even have a ridill so all of your agruments are based on things you don't know as fact. Truth of the matter is that I have indeed partied with two thieves in my LS who have ridill, and they absolutely tear shit up at deco weapons. The D rating doesn't mean shit in an XP PT, and until you actually have a ridill in your hand, drop the arguement. Its critical that people who have no first hand knowledge of a subject not try and champion the cause against it.

[vudoodoodoo]

Ridill is shit for thf in xp.

I meripo on weapons, statues, demons w/ Ridill just fine....

[Orfeo]

Who said I out damaged everyone ??
Your big badass uber war/thf goes in for SA Steel Cyclone for 1k dmg, then you get booted the fuck out because all you do is whiff / hit for 0.
;;

You said that you out damage everyone but blm, rng, and smn

And uh...get your numbers right k? k! I took a break from doing gods for awhile and upgraded my gear. Came back and did 6 or 7 gods. On everything BUT genbu steel cyclone was doing 1300-1700+ and my normal hits on everything BUT genbu were landing for 70~ with crits of 120~. On seiryu for whatever reason, it was 100~ normal hits 200~ crits.
No BRD <3

Hijack in process! Sorry, people who lack even the slightest level of intelligence bother me. That or people living in quebec 8)

[Enkidu]

Let's see, stuff a level 75 can have that a level 62 can't:

Love torque: +7 sword skill (maybe not love..? dunno one of the cop ones)
Supanoimi: +5 sword skill
Merits: +18 sword skill if capped (correct me if im wrong, i havent capped great axe but you can put 9 levels in it right?)

Hmmm... +30 sword skill. Oh wait now your sword skill is fine.

Even without these things, you can hit VT with ridill easily. Sushi, o-hat, sh, snipers, life belt, natural +dex... thats +76 acc. Times when nobody is at ulli and we were pulling golems, I have busted out my 203 skill polearm and started skilling it up. Guess what... my ACC was fine even when aggressor wasn't up.

Uhh I thought this thread was "best Thief gear", not "how do I get enough accuracy to hit stuff with my Ridill" ... Sacrifice Love Torque (dagger skill+5, DEX+5) for a Fortitude Torque (sword skill+5, VIT+5)? No thanks. Put merits into sword skill? Hell no.

That's +5 sword skill while keeping great gear for Thief. That puts your accuracy on par with a lvl66 Thief using a dagger and sushi on d.weapons. Anyways "the best" geared Thief would not be geared towards accuracy anyways at later levels. If you need to do more then 1 WS per fight, your party is gimp. If you can't get enough TP for 1 WS per fight without a Ridill, you're gimp. If you need more then 100% TP to land all 5 hits of Dancing Edge, you're gimp.

Anyways if I had a Ridill there's no way in hell I wouldn't use it, but saying it's the best offhand weapon for Thief is just not right. With a BRD maybe it's the best setup, since you can eat sushi and get 2xMinuet for attack (which I believe caps your att on d.weapons at lvl75). Otherwise any Thief worth their weight should be eating attack food on d.weapons. 1.4k dancing edge {Yes, Please}.

[Drinhkinn]

Sorry, people who lack even the slightest level of intelligence bother me. That or people living in quebec 8)

Die

[Orfeo]

I was j/k Don't eat me, prz. Galka tastes bad anyway.

Edit:

Uhh I thought this thread was "best Thief gear", not "how do I get enough accuracy to hit stuff with my Ridill"

I'm well aware of this. Nynja turned it into a thread about how ridil is or isn't good for thief, and I was just giving examples of how it can be made into a very good weapon. Notice I said that even without the merits/torque you can still have a good hit rate?

[NynJa]

I never knew you needed to own certain things to know if they're good or not.


I guess I'm not allowed to say that PLD AF body > Adaman Body on HNM's because I'm not a pld ??
I guess I'm not allowed to say that DRG > RNG because I'm not either job ??
I guess I'm not allowed to say BLMS NEED TO BE NERF because I'm a blm and that would be like commiting genocide ??


Fact of the matter is, you dont NEED something to say "this is good or bad", somethings can be deduced on paper.

Anyways, I dont like xping much, its kinda boring. I find its more of an e-peen competition, who can put out the most damage. Though, I've had ppl ask me if I would be interested in xping with them later at night. I know full well how to play this job, inside and out. I've had wars constantly cuss me out, "out damaged by a thf". Obviously, this is NOT because I'm a shitty thief...