I'm just wondering...

[Xavier]

DEX is never moot because its critical hit rate, which is crucial to a melee who relies on multiple fast low dmg hits opposed to one large one for dmg.

[NynJa]

DEX is never moot because its critical hit rate, which is crucial to a melee who relies on multiple fast low dmg hits opposed to one large one for dmg.

Last I checked, post 60, my TA is a critical hit whos damage is majoritarily based on AGI (assuming tanks dont circle strafe like this is Q2), unless you can prove that wrong Xavier...

[Drinhkinn]

DEX is never moot because its critical hit rate, which is crucial to a melee who relies on multiple fast low dmg hits opposed to one large one for dmg.

Last I checked, post 60, my TA is a critical hit whos damage is majoritarily based on AGI (assuming tanks dont circle strafe like this is Q2), unless you can prove that wrong Xavier...

Gonna have to agree with him there. Post 60, thf gets Assassin trait, so TA works jsut same way as SA. So when your using TA standalone, +agi would eb best, because DEX won't increase crit rate on an already 100% crit attack.

[Septimus]

DEX is never moot because its critical hit rate, which is crucial to a melee who relies on multiple fast low dmg hits opposed to one large one for dmg.

Last I checked, post 60, my TA is a critical hit whos damage is majoritarily based on AGI (assuming tanks dont circle strafe like this is Q2), unless you can prove that wrong Xavier...

Gonna have to agree with him there. Post 60, thf gets Assassin trait, so TA works jsut same way as SA. So when your using TA standalone, +agi would eb best, because DEX won't increase crit rate on an already 100% crit attack.

Because you don't care about critical hits while you are waiting for TA timer to come back up?

[NynJa]

DEX is never moot because its critical hit rate, which is crucial to a melee who relies on multiple fast low dmg hits opposed to one large one for dmg.

Last I checked, post 60, my TA is a critical hit whos damage is majoritarily based on AGI (assuming tanks dont circle strafe like this is Q2), unless you can prove that wrong Xavier...

Gonna have to agree with him there. Post 60, thf gets Assassin trait, so TA works jsut same way as SA. So when your using TA standalone, +agi would eb best, because DEX won't increase crit rate on an already 100% crit attack.

Because you don't care about critical hits while you are waiting for TA timer to come back up?

That is the entire point of macro swaps I mentionned before...

[Demetrio$]

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[Septimus]

But don't Thiefs already have enough shit to carry around?

Thieves don't hold a candle to Bards and Red Mages for the amount of shit they need to carry around.

[NynJa]

But don't Thiefs already have enough shit to carry around?

Thieves don't hold a candle to Bards and Red Mages for the amount of shit they need to carry around.

That is indeed false. You party with shitty thieves my man.


When I go out (pre patch, I havent done anything serious on my thf since then), I carry:

weapons: 2 daggers, ziska, Acid Bolts
head: Heca Cap, O.Hat, Emp Pin
Neck: Jagd Gorget, Spike Necklace
Ear: Drone x2, Minuet Earring, Coral Earring
Body: H.Harn, D.Harn, S.Harn
Hands: Heca Gloves, War Gloves, Drg Mittens
Rings: Rajas, Thunder, Merman x2
back: Forager
Waist: Warwolf, Life
Legs: AF1, Drg Subligar, Dusk Trousers
Feet: AF1, AF2, Hct Leggings.


that doesnt include food nor materials to recraft bolts. Of course this is all pre-patch before ranged nerf, so I dont know if acid bolt support would work anymore.

[Kirrinn]

Obviously, more AGI will increase your tick attack damage. But, for instance, when quiklet listed his gear, all atk/dex gear. Do you thf worry much about boosting your TA damage, or is it better to focus most of your gear on improving SA annd normal hit damage. We'd all love to be able to carry the gear to improve all our thf skills, but SE limits us with 60 so I'm kinding debating what I should focus on.

DEX is going to improve your performance as a Thief more than AGI will unless you're just not using Sneak Attack for some reason. Higher crit rate, higher WS damage, and higher Sneak Attack damage as opposed to just higher Trick Attack damage.

I used to think that AGI was > DEX myself, and given I claim no real authority because I'm only level 69 THF (which has been hell sometimes I swear, but being Hobgoblin Blaggeresque has benefits for sure when you're solo). The reason people pump so much Dex, Str, and Attk over AGI is because DEX is a damage mod on both DE and Shark Bite(and evisceration too, but evisceration sucks, and yes I have it from my 75 job) and AGI is not. Most good exp pts you only have a chance to use SA and TA once if you're smart as a thf. (Meaning that sending a thf up against IT ++ mobs that some people fight for big numbers on chains is a bad idea and yields a lot of hits for 0) I don't claim to be great, but i get enough tp to use it as I get SATA. I know you can lead pulls with SATA, but that usually ends up with me waiting for SATA to be back up with the kinds of mobs thf is best vs. More STR and atk obviously increase damage anyway.

[Septimus]

That is indeed false. You party with shitty thieves my man.


When I go out (pre patch, I havent done anything serious on my thf since then), I carry:

weapons: 2 daggers, ziska, Acid Bolts
head: Heca Cap, O.Hat, Emp Pin
Neck: Jagd Gorget, Spike Necklace
Ear: Drone x2, Minuet Earring, Coral Earring
Body: H.Harn, D.Harn, S.Harn
Hands: Heca Gloves, War Gloves, Drg Mittens
Rings: Rajas, Thunder, Merman x2
back: Forager
Waist: Warwolf, Life
Legs: AF1, Drg Subligar, Dusk Trousers
Feet: AF1, AF2, Hct Leggings.


that doesnt include food nor materials to recraft bolts. Of course this is all pre-patch before ranged nerf, so I dont know if acid bolt support would work anymore.

A respectable amount of gear, but no one loves a good /equip macro more than I do.

Main: Elemental staff * 8, Joyeuse, Hornetneedle
Sub: Genbu's shield
Ammo: Phantom Talthum
Head: AF1, Wise Cap (Burn baby, burn!), Optical hat
Neck: Enfeebling torque, holy phail, spiked necklace
Earring: Abyssal, Enfeebling, Moldovite, Boroka, Phantom
Body: AF1, AF2, Errant, Narashima's vest
Hands: AF2, Crimson, AF1
Rings: Tamas Ring, Snow, Aqua
Waist: Penetant's rope, heirich belt, warwolf's belt
Back: Rainbow cape, skulker's cape, amement mantle
Legs: AF1, AF2, Errant, crimson
Feet: AF2, Crimson

[Genosync]

I carry:

Main: 8x HQ Staff
Sub: Nothing
Ammo: Phantom Tathlum
Head: AF1, Republic Circlet, Elite Beret, Igqira Tiara, Reraise Hairpin, Optical Hate
Neck: Elemental, Dark, Enfeebling Torques
Earrings: Moldavite, Elemental, Dark, Warlock's, Morion+1
Body: Vermillion, Black (don't ask, I don't know why), AF1, Igqira, Errant
Hands: Igqira, Master Caster's Bracelets, AF1, soon Zenith
Rings: Snow x2
Back: Warlock's Mantle, Rainbow
Waist: Penitent's Rope, Heirach Belt (sp)
Legs: Errant Slops, Iqgira Lappa, AF1, AF2, Druid's Slops
Feet: AF1, AF2

Yeah, I carry a lot of shit too, 44 slots. A Red Mage gets me by a few, but Bard equip is around this much.

[Septimus]

Yeah, I carry a lot of shit too, 44 slots. A Red Mage gets me by a few, but Bard equip is around this much.

Gobbie bag VII- XII. Yes, please.

[NynJa]

You list includes stuff outside of a 1 track session. I was merely stating XP gear.


If I went the whle distance, my repetoire would be slightly enlarged.



weapons: 2 daggers (Gully, Heart Snatcher), ziska, Acid Bolts, thf knife, long boomerang, tatami shield
head: Heca Cap, O.Hat, Emp Pin, AF2 head, AF1 head
Neck: Jagd Gorget, Spike Necklace, rabbit charm
Ear: Drone x2, Minuet Earring, Coral Earring, (would wesr dodge, but I use drones, since its rumored that AGI helps parrying)
Body: H.Harn, D.Harn, S.Harn
Hands: Heca Gloves, War Gloves, Drg Mittens, thf kote
Rings: Rajas, Thunder, Merman x2
back: Forager
Waist: Warwolf, Life
Legs: AF1, Drg Subligar, Dusk Trousers
Feet: AF1, AF2, Hct Leggings.



but of course that is a wider range of stuff, some of it doesnt apply to certain situations (tatami shield when /nin). As I said though, my original list applied only to xp situations. I dont see why you need some of that gear (joy, shield, spike neck, narashima, etc) to play rdm in xp pt.

[Septimus]

but of course that is a wider range of stuff, some of it doesnt apply to certain situations (tatami shield when /nin). As I said though, my original list applied only to xp situations. I dont see why you need some of that gear (joy, shield, spike neck, narashima, etc) to play rdm in xp pt.

Boy Scout motto: "Be prepaired". You never know when you are going to have some downtime to play with the local fauna. (I got a lot of dagger skillups while waiting for LS events to start in Sky off of the birds out front.)

I probably should chuck all of my casting gear for more space, since it seems that all I ever do is melee during parties and LS events.

[Orfeo]

Didn't we already have a "my bag is fuller then yours" thread? I recall me winning :D So many...weapons...gear...omg... o_o

[Elcura]

Didn't we already have a "my bag is fuller then yours" thread? I recall me winning :D So many...weapons...gear...omg... o_o

I'll have to agree with Orfeo, don't fuck with WARs when it comes to inv space.

[Furiex]

Didn't we already have a "my bag is fuller then yours" thread? I recall me winning :D So many...weapons...gear...omg... o_o

I'll have to agree with Orfeo, don't fuck with WARs when it comes to inv space.

I don't understand how a Warrior has such a large list.


I've got to say, a Good Nin will have the fullest bag (pre-patch). Even RNG, equipped for a 3-6 Hr xp pt will head out 58/60.

BRD isn't too bad yet... I'm only lv65 right now.

[NynJa]

what the heck does a war carry ??

macro in AF head for warcry...maybe a warwolf belt when in aggressor...but what else ? lol

[Nagamaki]

A serious player on any job will be carrying around retarded amounts of gear.

I'm not going to list everything, but a MNK's gear is gonna be extremely varied too, with at least 3 pieces of gear for about every slot, more than that for a lot of slots.

[Genosync]

Didn't we already have a "my bag is fuller then yours" thread? I recall me winning :D So many...weapons...gear...omg... o_o

I'll have to agree with Orfeo, don't fuck with WARs when it comes to inv space.

I don't understand how a Warrior has such a large list.


I've got to say, a Good Nin will have the fullest bag (pre-patch). Even RNG, equipped for a 3-6 Hr xp pt will head out 58/60.

BRD isn't too bad yet... I'm only lv65 right now.

Uh... by then, you have most of your Bard gear.

My Bard:

Main: 8x HQ Staff
Range: 12, 13 Instruments? I think? I don't remember.
Head: (at 73 Zenith Crown), Reraise Hairpin
Neck: Wind, String Torques, Evasion Torque for solo, Star Necklace
Earring: Melody+1, String, Singing
Body: AF1, Vermy
Hands: AF1, AF2 (at73)
Rings: CHR+4 (Lv54) rings, Minstrel's Ring, Astralx2
Back: Jester's Cape+1, Warlock's Mantle
Waist: Gleeman's Belt, some MP+20 belt, forgot name
Legs: Choral Cannions, (Zenith Slacks at 73)
Feet: roflmao because there is nothing good for BRD68 feet Powder Boots. (hoping to get Zenith Pumps =/ )

That makes 49 slots. At 73, and if I get that equipment, anyway. That doesn't include the damn AF2 hat I want. That would make 50.