I'm just wondering...

[Wulf]

weapons: warp cudgel x3 avengers pride staff
head: optical hat genbu's kabuto reraise hairpin temple crown
body: shura togi scorpion harness temple cyclas justaucorps(><)
back: foragers
neck: peacock charm promise badge
gloves: af2 ochi kote af1 rasetsu
belt: brown belt survival belt
earrings: mermansz2 dodgez2 melodyz2
rings: sapphire ring x2 flame ring x2 sniper ring x2
pants: shura haidate byakko haidate
ranged: happy egg
feet: suzaku sune-ate rasetsu sune-ate dune boots

[Furiex]

I think carrying all 8 Staves for Brd is overkill.

[Genosync]

I think carrying all 8 Staves for Brd is overkill.

Earth: Elegy
Light: Lullaby, Requiem

The rest: Threnody


You know those Bards that bitch about their Threnodies getting resisted and refuse to ever use it? Yeah, it's because they don't use 'em.

[Avvesione]

You only need Apollo and Terra staves. They do Dark and Lightning Threnody which are probably the two most important. The rest are overkill.

[Zynk]

Obviously, more AGI will increase your tick attack damage. But, for instance, when quiklet listed his gear, all atk/dex gear. Do you thf worry much about boosting your TA damage, or is it better to focus most of your gear on improving SA annd normal hit damage. We'd all love to be able to carry the gear to improve all our thf skills, but SE limits us with 60 so I'm kinding debating what I should focus on.

DEX is going to improve your performance as a Thief more than AGI will unless you're just not using Sneak Attack for some reason. Higher crit rate, higher WS damage, and higher Sneak Attack damage as opposed to just higher Trick Attack damage.

I used to think that AGI was > DEX myself, and given I claim no real authority because I'm only level 69 THF (which has been hell sometimes I swear, but being Hobgoblin Blaggeresque has benefits for sure when you're solo). The reason people pump so much Dex, Str, and Attk over AGI is because DEX is a damage mod on both DE and Shark Bite(and evisceration too, but evisceration sucks, and yes I have it from my 75 job) and AGI is not. Most good exp pts you only have a chance to use SA and TA once if you're smart as a thf. (Meaning that sending a thf up against IT ++ mobs that some people fight for big numbers on chains is a bad idea and yields a lot of hits for 0) I don't claim to be great, but i get enough tp to use it as I get SATA. I know you can lead pulls with SATA, but that usually ends up with me waiting for SATA to be back up with the kinds of mobs thf is best vs. More STR and atk obviously increase damage anyway.

Of course DEX > AGI, I was just wondering if it's worth carrying around a lot of gear to boost it or not. I'll probably jsut keep my dragon pieces that have it and then buy some more DEX and ATK gear.

[Genosync]

You only need Apollo and Terra staves. They do Dark and Lightning Threnody which are probably the two most important. The rest are overkill.

Yeah, but I figure since I'm BLM75 I might as well carry them around. >.>;

[mademine]

You only need Apollo and Terra staves. They do Dark and Lightning Threnody which are probably the two most important. The rest are overkill.

Yeah, but I figure since I'm BLM75 I might as well carry them around. >.>;

75 blm and a 75 brd I carry all of them around to but i'll be damned if I cam going to macro in all those staves for therenodies. I have light macro'd for sleep and terra for ltg therendoy and elegy, F macroing anything else.

[Quicklet]

A good thief would be using macro swaps though. DEX is moot when using TA alone (not stacked with WS).

I never use Trick Attack alone in xp PTs, it would delay being able to WS too much.

[NynJa]

A good thief would be using macro swaps though. DEX is moot when using TA alone (not stacked with WS).

I never use Trick Attack alone in xp PTs, it would delay being able to WS too much.

I dont do standard parties no more. WS Spam > *, and I would never TA WS onto a war/nin. I just TA them to lock hate on someone long enough for me to SA WS, which puts hella hate onto me.

[Furiex]

A good thief would be using macro swaps though. DEX is moot when using TA alone (not stacked with WS).

I never use Trick Attack alone in xp PTs, it would delay being able to WS too much.

I dont do standard parties no more. WS Spam > *, and I would never TA WS onto a war/nin. I just TA them to lock hate on someone long enough for me to SA WS, which puts hella hate onto me.

What kinda PTs are these?

[NynJa]

Spampage
WAR WAR WAR THF BRD RDM

[Genosync]

75 blm and a 75 brd I carry all of them around to but i'll be damned if I cam going to macro in all those staves for therenodies. I have light macro'd for sleep and terra for ltg therendoy and elegy, F macroing anything else.

Wow, so you copy and paste the lines you have for macroing staves in with your BLM spells into your songs.

So hard, so time consuming, omg.

Honestly, play with the elements enough using your staves and abilities that weaken mobs to other elements (i.e. Ninjutsu that weakens mob to the element of the threnody you're playing to exploit that mob's primary weakness even more), and things will fall at your mercy.

Bards that get resisted on Lightning Elegy at Fafnir 9/10 times aren't doing something right (and I saw some BRD in LittleGarden on Remora looking like a moron at Faf this morning, resisted nonstop). Get a mix of Singing skill with the skill of the instrument you're playing for maximum accuracy.

[Gregorio]

Well, since everyone else is doin their equipment..

At 75 BRD, I'm usually at 56/60

Main: Kard, Taillefers, Cermet+1, Earth Light and Dark staffs, Warp cudgel
Sub: Genbu's shield
Range: 14 instruments (I have/need more, but I don't carry some around)
Head: Opo-opo, Errant hat
Neck: Star Necklace, String and Wind torques
Earrings: Beastly Earring (WHY DID I PICK THAT ONE?!), melody+1, String earring, minstrel's earring, Signal Pearl (an essential for BRDs everywhere)
Body: Minstrels coat, Errant hpl., Aketon
Hands: Sha'ir
Rings: 2 Loyalty and 2 Astral
Back: Jesters +1, Blue Cape
Waist: Gleemans
Legs: Sha'ir, AF1
Feet: Sha'ir, AF1

Plus Echo Drops, Oils, Powders, and then there's like 6 other pieces of gear I carry around for meleeing/soloing.

[Elcura]

weapons: cross counters and normal DD weapon (could be CC, indra, destroyers or all of them) pride or kirin's staff, maybe earth and windd if you feel like tanking with them (but maybe not =P)

head: optical hat genbu's kabuto temple crown shura zunari kabuto af2

body: shura togi scorpion harness temple cyclas justaucorps af2 kirin's osode arhats gi+1 (for -damage and hate for /nin)

back: foragers or +evasion back piece (for nin, but you might want to keep foragers for damage, up to you really)

neck: peacock charm promise badge spike necklace evasion torque

gloves: af2 ochi kote af1 rasetsu gigas brc line

belt: (black)brown belt survival belt warwolf (situational for sata or hate gain with /nin)

earrings: mermansx2 evasion earring triumph melody(?) minuet +counter earrings

rings: sapphire ring x2 flame ring x2 sniper ring x2

pants: shura haidate byakko haidate af2 af1 +counter legs

ranged: happy egg optical needle morion or phantom tathlum (ok just me then)

feet: suzaku sune-ate rasetsu sune-ate dune boots RSE (Taru hume mithra) fuma sune-ate

Just adding on from wulf post (which seemed like mnk gear)

It's all not needed really, you don't need all this equipment for any and all given situations which most would tend to try and avoid anyway.

Fact is any job can have a lot of equipment, so don't think yours is special or needs our sympathy cause really it isn't.

[geno]

Main: Daylight dagger, Joyeuse, some DMG staff (i think wyvern perch), terra's, apollo's, and pluto's staffs, Warp cudgel
Sub: Genbu's shield
Range: I carry about 10 instruments usually
Head: Mahatma hat, AF2 hat, Optical hat, Genbu's kabuto, zenith crown
Neck: Star Necklace, String and Wind torques, that MP+50 necklace
Earrings: Beastly Earring (Dunno why i picked it either ), melody+1, Heavens Earring+1 (wish i had a second)
Body: Errant body, AF2 body, royal cloak, minstrel's coat
Hands: Sheikh hands, AF2
Rings: 2x Angels rings, BQ ring, Tamas ring, Tavnazian ring
Back: Jesters +1, Blue Cape
Waist: Gleemans, Light Obi, Earth Obi, Steppe sash
Legs: AF2, AF1
Feet: Zenith pumps, Rostrum pumps, AF2 shoes

Throw in powders/oils/food/viles/Linkpearl and its pretty much 60/60. I have to leave good gear that I want to use in a lot of situations in my MH because of stupid item limits

[Akiro]

ranged: happy egg morion or phantom tathlum

WHY

come with me to get a damn Fenrir Stone.

[Elcura]

ranged: happy egg morion or phantom tathlum

WHY

come with me to get a damn Fenrir Stone.

You're so mean to me, quaa quaa! ; ;

*Throws Phantom Tathlum at Akiro*

[Moggy]

75 blm and a 75 brd I carry all of them around to but i'll be damned if I cam going to macro in all those staves for therenodies. I have light macro'd for sleep and terra for ltg therendoy and elegy, F macroing anything else.

Wow, so you copy and paste the lines you have for macroing staves in with your BLM spells into your songs.

So hard, so time consuming, omg.

Honestly, play with the elements enough using your staves and abilities that weaken mobs to other elements (i.e. Ninjutsu that weakens mob to the element of the threnody you're playing to exploit that mob's primary weakness even more), and things will fall at your mercy.

Bards that get resisted on Lightning Elegy at Fafnir 9/10 times aren't doing something right (and I saw some BRD in LittleGarden on Remora looking like a moron at Faf this morning, resisted nonstop). Get a mix of Singing skill with the skill of the instrument you're playing for maximum accuracy.

dunno wtf lightning elegy is, if u mean lightning threnody, only reason for a bard to sing it is if ur blm are sync'd, which is hardly possible, if u meant carnage elegy, its earth based, if u sing earth threnody first i'll have to say u dunno how to play bard much

yes landing earth threnody will let u land elegy easier, however if u can land earth threnody u can land elegy all the same, so its stupid to be singing threnody unless blm's want it, i've done a soul voice threnody on fafnir b4, threnody doesn't ever increase dmg, so if u don't have gimp blm's it shouldn't happen, and even with threnody blm's could still get resist, for things like kirin that has basically unlimited earth resistance, u can land earth threnody without a problem, but if u ever land elegy take some screenshots, they are rare

listing out possible equip is stupid, someone posted all monk gear possible at 75? i don't think u have a lot of those, if u want to post max gear bard still wins i think, being able to wear most DD and almost all mage armor makes selection quite broad

and on final note, i've never found an elemental staff/HQ to have an effect on songs, the only staff i have is a dark staff which is with my mule and i didn't buy it someone gave me when they quit, i've had an earth staff and terra staff b4 but after a number of exp PT i concluded its useless, personally i use a chanter's staff now, never had monster signa, previously used a kard, and i did some interesting test to show that skill+ is by far superior to chr (however its not saying 0 chr, still around +30), believe it or not i land songs a lot more comfortably than the other bards in my ls carrying a terra + apollo

now back to the OP's question, its best to have everything that helps, switch agi for TA onry and normally use dex if SATA anyway, and str for normal hits, i dunno how much things a thf carries dunno how much stuff other melees carry but i do know bard is the only one that has a reason to be carrying 20 things for 1 slot ho ho ho

[Elcura]

That's not the point, the point was that every job carries (or can carry) a stupid amount of things IF THEY WANTED TOO. You wanna carry 5-20 pieces of equipment for 1 slot, more power to you (less to your inv space).

I don't have a lot of the stuff I posted because i'm not interesting in Chi Blasting (atm anyway, cause I usually go on RDM), Counter tanking (not till I get counter merits) or /nin tanking (cause I have RDM 75).

[Orfeo]

what the heck does a war carry ??

macro in AF head for warcry...maybe a warwolf belt when in aggressor...but what else ? lol

Ok, sorry you have done it. I will list everything your amazing warrior has/needs, keeping in mind I don't have all of it.

Weapons: Woodville, juggernaut/maneater, ridill, company sword, joyeuse, byakkos axe, martial great sword, martial scythe, earth staff.

Range: o-bow, acid bolts, blind bolts, sleep bolts (you never know), and bomb core, fenrir's stone

Head: o-hat, genbu's kabuto, relic head, adaman celata, hectacomb head, and of course our lowly +str helm from riverne (forget the name :/)

Neck: r.g collar, spike necklace, soil gorget (? the one that effects multi-hit ws), and if you're that far along the +great axe or +axe skill gorget (im more partial to +gaxe, but thats just me)

Earrings: Assault, triumph, supanomimi (sp?), genins earring, nemesis earring, other +emnity earring, pigeon earringX2

Body: (adaman) Hauberk, osode, warrior's and fighter's lorica

Hands: warrior's mufflers, +str peice (fighter's mufflers, bracers, whatever), adaman/thick hands, hectacomb hands

Rings: Flame ring, rajas ring, jelly ring, bq ring, mermaids ring, mermans ringX2, sniper'sX2

Back: Foragers/amemet+1, gigant/behemoth

Waist: Life belt, warwolf belt, +HP rse belt

Pants: Adaman/thick, hectacomb/barone, byakkos, relic

Feet: Fighter's Caligae, Warrior's Calligae, thick/adaman, hectacomb

LOL

I counted that, it's exactly 60. Fuck...no shihei or food for me.

EDIT: Wait, 61. Added fenrir's stone. I'm not saying you absolutely need everything here, just flexing my e-penis. You could easily do away with the x-bow/bolts and thick/adaman (barring the head) for a normal exp party. Also certain peices of hectacomb (pants if you have relic) aren't all that needed either.

EDITED AGAIN: Up to 63. Just making a point <.<;