So, I put a Carrie on Vrtra

[layoneil]

There are certain items in this game, while being very low level to craft, continue to be useful to level 75 players. To name a few: Prism Powder, Silent Oil, Shihei, Echo Drops.

If you think of Courier Carrie in terms of that same power/craft level balance, there is nothing wrong with it.

there are no 2nd tier Echo Drops, Prism Powders or Silent Oils. there are higher tier jugs.

I think Sendoh just wants BSTs to spend more on jugs then they do. BSTS would rather use charmed pets every single time, and when they can't they would be happier I think to use Panzer Galahad (even lower cap of woodworking) over Carrie but the HQ rate on that jug is abysmal. Increase the power of other pets and they'll just zerg Tiamat with that pet. Nothing about this 'imbalance' makes being a Beastmaster any easier.

you just don't get it. if a change is made along the lines of what i'm suggesting BSTs will be more powerful in a lot of situations in which they are currently not. there will be more types of pets like Galahad that BSTs can use, there will be more options that are not abysmal.

you can zerg Tiamat without jugs. and you can't zerg anything with jugs unless you have an exorbitant amount of BSTs because the Call Beast timer prevents one BST from constantly being able to do it.

[Epical]

Offtopic: Sendoh, I can't help but feel like throwing up everytime I see your avatar. She is the nastiest chick I've ever seen, and you put her in your avatar as if to place her on some uber pedestal. =P

[Avvesione]

She is the nastiest chick I've ever seen

Actually, to say nastiest is kinda extreme, don't you think? There sure are a lot of other people on the internet who I would say are nastier. But if she's the nastiest girl you've ever seen, I guess someone likes staring at the boys...

[Roree]

Whats wrong with staring at boys.... now Horses would be scary..

[Heian]

Offtopic: Sendoh, I can't help but feel like throwing up everytime I see your avatar. She is the nastiest chick I've ever seen, and you put her in your avatar as if to place her on some uber pedestal. =P

I'd fuck her.

[layoneil]

Offtopic: Sendoh, I can't help but feel like throwing up everytime I see your avatar. She is the nastiest chick I've ever seen, and you put her in your avatar as if to place her on some uber pedestal. =P

if by nasty you mean ugly, i can introduce you to an optometrist.

if by nasty you mean skanky ho, does that image make it seem like i'd think she was saint?

[Epical]

Okokokok, so "nastiest" was a little too much, but definitely not avatar-worthy. =P

/rant off

[Delekii]

Utsusemi and Paralyze both DO get stronger with level - the reason being that the attacks that they nullify get stronger.

Blinking an attack from Vrtra and blinking an attack from a level 0 bumblebee are obviously not the same thing, hence the "level" of those abilities is based kind of around the level of the mobs they are used on.

On the other hand, using a 23 crab on a 80+ dragon is a lesson in ludicrasy.

[Demetrios]

On the other hand, using a 23 crab on a 80+ dragon is a lesson in ludicrasy.

Utusemi: Ichi is a level 12 spell? :/

[Orfeo]

Owned.

Our crab's grow in strength just as any other spell/item.

[NynJa]

On the other hand, using a 23 crab on a 80+ dragon is a lesson in ludicrasy.

Utusemi: Ichi is a level 12 spell? :/

and ??
Ni is a lv37 spell. The only reason that people use a lv12 and lv37 spell is because there are no other alternatives. Its not that the alternatives are weak/sub-par or ridiculously expensive, its that there are no alternatives.

[Amarok]

On the other hand, using a 23 crab on a 80+ dragon is a lesson in ludicrasy.

Utusemi: Ichi is a level 12 spell? :/

and ??
Ni is a lv37 spell. The only reason that people use a lv12 and lv37 spell is because there are no other alternatives. Its not that the alternatives are weak/sub-par or ridiculously expensive, its that there are no alternatives.

He was arguing that it doesn't matter what level Carrie is, not the other way around...

[Orfeo]

I don't even see why it matters really ;o I have never heard an actual BST say something was wrong with the strongest jug being level 23, but other people in this thread.

Leave our crab alone! ; ;

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/3661/carrie4tq.jpg

HE IS CUTE.

[Onizuka]

Why not just nerf everything.......

[layoneil]

I don't even see why it matters really ;o I have never heard an actual BST say something was wrong with the strongest jug being level 23, but other people in this thread.

Leave our crab alone! ; ;

what defines an actual BST? i'm a Lv 47 and still leveling.

[Genosync]

I don't even see why it matters really ;o I have never heard an actual BST say something was wrong with the strongest jug being level 23, but other people in this thread.

Leave our crab alone! ; ;

what defines an actual BST? i'm a Lv 47 and still leveling.

owned

[Onizuka]

owned

[MrWatermonkey]

Eh there is a big differnece between a lvl 47 carrie (weak as fuck) and a 60+ carrie. So when you get from 70-75 than you will have a clue what I am talking about. When your carrie can solo coffer mobs and only lose 30% HP you will understand.

[layoneil]

Eh there is a big differnece between a lvl 47 carrie (weak as fuck) and a 60+ carrie. So when you get from 70-75 than you will have a clue what I am talking about. When your carrie can solo coffer mobs and only lose 30% HP you will understand.

i already do understand, my point has been a Lv 23 jug shouldn't be able to solo coffer mobs and only lose 30% HP.

[Demetrick]

i can solo coffer mobs and probably get away with just using a level 12 spell, at least 37.

this topic is 7 pages too long, BST charm EM's, and at 75 an EM is level 75. uncapped jugs are still weaker than what an EM should be anyways.